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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so our good friend

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Chris O'Brien is in New York getting

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things set up but this is something I

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wanted to mention before we go on

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because Chris has talked about the San

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Luis Valley camera project for so long

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that he's finally started a fundraising

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program and there's a thread on it in

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the paragraphs forum called you can help

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make the San Luis Valley camera project

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become a reality he has something called

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what's it called patreon cogs yes

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patreon so it's like you can be like a

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subscriber financially to somebody you

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follow on YouTube or whatever and

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patreon just like a donation system

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because you know you know YouTube

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YouTube had that huge thing where they

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started D monetizing videos so they

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wouldn't run ads on certain videos with

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certain content however they use

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algorithms mostly to do this and there

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are so many mistakes that this algorithm

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makes like you know l/d monetize one

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video because of something that's silly

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Destin ah when it's not actually nah and

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damn you know you can't complain to

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YouTube and get a human to look at it

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but they've got so many accounts that

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it's you know it's very difficult and

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some of the popular people in YouTube

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advertising and then there was this this

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huge crackdown wrong in my opinion

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people are getting money instead from

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things like patreon well we have an

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official power cast YouTube channel but

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it took us a while just to be approved

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for monetization and even then we're

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really at the low ebb it's gonna take

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quite a while before we see much money

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from it and of course you see on YouTube

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say why do you have commercials and I

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think because we're a commercial radio

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show and just like 82 other shows on the

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gcn network there are commercials if you

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listening to it on there just a normal

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say that five times cogs in succession

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after the para cast podcast which has

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extra stuff and last week don't know if

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you listen to a gongs but last week we

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had Tim Buckley and Don Ecker

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and Don Ecker is everybody's favorite

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curmudgeon I'd like him he's a great guy

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but he'll get mad and he was screaming

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at Tim and Tim was screaming at him for

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a section in the middle of the show and

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then a minute or two later after the

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dust-up was over they were like old

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friends again go figure

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that's what c'mon jeans are like I mean

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I like them both these are people I know

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very well Tim I used to work for many

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years a Dewar or two down from Tim's

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apartment so I frequently drop in say

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hello so you know like I said Tim and I

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had dust ups when we were teenagers but

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you know he's somebody I really like and

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he's a wacky eccentric guy

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and I think we'd lose a lot when he's

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gone he's not in the best of health

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these days when he's gone speaking of

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which it's been months since we've had

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you on the parent cast or seen you in

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the forms what's going on dogs yeah I

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had some I won't go into it fully but I

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had some medical treatment a form of

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chemotherapy and which is over and it

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did what it was supposed to do there was

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an unexpected side effect those of seem

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to have suffered some permanent damage

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to my bone marrow and that's where you

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make red blood cells and that's gone a

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bit to port so I'm very low on red blood

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cells and I'd had shots of this stuff

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that the yam like for instance Lance

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Armstrong a lot of these cyclists they

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would inject this stuff called Ipoh I

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can't remember the full name but

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basically it it tells your body to make

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blood cells and that obviously it's very

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useful in sport if you can increase your

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red blood cells and your oxygen carrying

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capability and it's a natural chemical

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as well so initially you couldn't test

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for it because you expect to find it in

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a test anyway but and that worked and

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stuff but it's got bad side effects to

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do you know regularly stuff so anyway

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this is as I said that the doctors were

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not expecting less and it seems to be a

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permanent thing but anyway I'm feeling

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fine you know I am working and stuff and

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yeah I'm back here kind of thing so I

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was pretty down for a while but here

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come back well we're glad man have you

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been following the wackiness in well

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yeah in terms of the podcast I'm

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probably I'll tell you I'm a bit behind

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and I've got up to the interview with

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can we call it charity or gods or his

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name's escape me von daniken Erich von

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däniken yes that's what we had off my

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good friend David Halpern and David is

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such a gentle guy an easygoing gentle

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grind is somebody I've known for 10,000

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you know I'm just joking but he

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disassembled von Daniken something

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fierce

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yeah yes

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I mean I CLE agreed with both them to a

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point but I am he was he was very polite

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and kind to tarragon daniken I didn't

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agree with everything but David said in

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terms of you know all this stuff about

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Enoch and you know which stuff is

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written in the first person and which

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stuff is fantasy was I mean I don't know

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how we say any of the books the Bible

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if any of this is supposed to come from

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God you know what was it dictating to

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the people who wrote it I just don't get

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this whole thing under to to kind of

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assume that well no the writers were

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just always or half the time I'm kind of

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doing things from a fantasy point of

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view are doing after the fact and I

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actually half sight with von Daniken

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with some stuff in that you you just

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have similar themes amongst many

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religious texts out in the world that as

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far as we know where these people

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writing they were not in communication

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and we know maybe not all the stuff that

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he writes and targets the gods or

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whatever is correct and I know all I

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know I and disagree with a lot of it but

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there is a core stuff there that is

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weird

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and whatever way you look at there are

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definitely fantastical paranormal

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happenings in the Bible in many of the

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books and I can't claim to have read the

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Torah

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Fuli I've read some or you know the the

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Quran but most holy books do seem to

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have some pretty strange stuff gone and

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and am so I think I think David was a

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little bit hard on von Daniken although

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you know I've heard many interviews von

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Daniken and he does accept that you know

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you know he's to write stuff like

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landing strips at a time you know in

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Peru for all the lines and the Nazca

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lines and stuff a car and he knew it he

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accepts no he said no I'm just making

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ideas to make people think and stuff I

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don't think he actually thinks that's

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what they were but there is there are

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stuff that he highlights and

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around of all the think targets the gods

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for a lot of people it was it just gave

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an entry into a whole world of stuff

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they maybe didn't know about you know

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the kind of hidden hidden archaeological

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history and the weird things the weird

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kind of rare historical mysteries that

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exist around the world they're pretty

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unexplainable and so yeah I think I

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think Eric does have something to say

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but you know a lot of it is a bit

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extreme when he likes to think he was

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the first guy to do it hey we've got

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Brent Raines joining us this week

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so we'll continue our guest co-host

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Brent you and I I guess have traveled

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similar roads but we've never been in

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touch with each other how did you get

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involved in paranormal investigations as

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such well it started back in 1966 during

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the March wave and I'd always been

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interested in the idea of could there be

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life in outer space you know and then I

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read Frank Edwards Flying Saucer serious

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business

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probably in December 1966 I had seen him

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on I think Merv Griffin is a guest one

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time and and I remember him talking

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about a landing of a craft or something

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I thought that's really interesting and

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you know we'd have some sightings up in

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Maine where I'm originally from

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and it just interested me that read the

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book by by Edwards of of police officers

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and pilots you know people in

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responsible positions describing these

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apparent craft and so I thought well

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it's you know I started corresponding

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with people in early 1967 and collecting

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everything I could get my hands on and I

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was all of 14 years old at the time so I

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started a little mimeograph newsletter

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called saucer itis I had such luminaries

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on my my subscribers list or exchange

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list as Lucius parish and gray Barker

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those names may ring a bell well yeah

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I'm ray Parker I remember spending

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a few days in West Virginia and I drop

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over to his place and he was playing

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with this photo offset machine of course

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you see that was a step up from MEA

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graph I had my immigrant machine home

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and we struggled to get this thing to

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print consistently and I have to say I

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don't think he ever got to work properly

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but he spent an arm and a leg for it

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Oh me yeah those were the days and I

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miss your caveat emptor that you used to

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publish that was a great publication I

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wish that it was still still available

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we had a lot of great articles with some

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of that not digitized and put online

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Jean caveat emptor is you remember a

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couple of years ago

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yeah well the entire library of camping

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mTOR I don't have a direct URL for it

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right now but I've seen the copy was

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digitized with the help of Isaac coy was

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a British based UFO researcher and the

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entire library which is about 25 issues

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was very well digitized and put online

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now at one point I thought you know

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maybe I should take some of these

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articles like the exclusive interviews

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with Ray Palmer and Richard shaver and

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lots of other people take that and put

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them into a book but number one is I

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don't think anyone would care I don't

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think it would be a real market for it

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and it wasn't worth the effort I thought

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well ok let's just put the stuff online

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if there is a demand for anything we can

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maybe do further research in it but

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shows where my head was at in the late

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60s through the late 1980s in each case

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we kind of ran out of money to keep the

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thing going I would have liked to but we

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had a lot of fun with it

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we met some really really great people

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some of whom became permanent friends

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others who became regular writers like

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for example Jim Mosely wrote occasional

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pieces for us Richard shaver wrote for

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us John keel wrote for us speaking of

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John keel so we had a lot of fun do you

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have the copies any more where you are I

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have copies and also one of your

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contributors was a Floyd Murray from

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Pennsylvania that I met back in 72 I've

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lost contact I would love to be back in

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touch with him

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unfortunately Floyd is no longer with us

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sad to say what was his deal what was

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Floyd's deal with you right to the

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witness sir but what was the he was a

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writer and he also wrote interesting

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satire for a caveat emptor but he

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personally was looking into this guy

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named Fred Lee Chrisman oh yeah very

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very unusual character and Fred had

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originally written stuff letters to Ray

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Palmer at amazing stories magazine the

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sci-fi magazine later he was involved in

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the Maury Island UFO case that's where

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Kenneth Arnold actually went to

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investigate it in the Seattle Tacoma

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area of state of Washington of course

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that Kenneth Arnold the one who had the

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sighting on June 24th 1947 he went there

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he was hired by Ray Palmer who was

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working for fate magazine at the time

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and he called himself Robert and Webster

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Palmer because he was still working for

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amazing stories and didn't want them to

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know what he was doing until finally he

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left in any case what happened there is

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that Arnold went through this hos

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scenario of spy story James Bond things

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where people were tapping his hotel room

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where he couldn't find a hotel in Tacoma

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but one was reserved in his name he

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never booked that hotel really weird

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stuff Maury island and Fred Crispin was

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one of the two harbour patrolmen who was

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allegedly a witness later on he became I

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think a right-wing talk-show host some

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people say he may have been in Dallas

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Texas during the time of the Kennedy

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assassination talk about weirdness well

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Floyd spent a lot of time writing about

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him that's what I do remember we never

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really ran his research and by the time

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I wanted to get back in touch with him

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he wasn't here that's historian Floyd

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Murray I think I'm being interviewed in

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why not so how long ago did Floyd pass I

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don't know 10 20 years ago it was a

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while

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was a wild one other person who I was

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very close with at the time is I think

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still around that was Kurt southerly and

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we had Kurt on the power cast a few

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times and he did something about Kenneth

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Arnold that we ran on the show and we

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had a lot of fun with him he wrote a UFO

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oriented book in the early 2000s and

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then was a public information officer

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for one of the military services she

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originally before he left the military

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he was a sergeant in the Air Force but

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we trust him because he was a good guy

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so that's how that kind of worked out

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why not why not at least somebody who

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has the expertise yeah yeah Kevin Kevin

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Randall has quite a background with the

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Air Force and he seems to write very

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logically about a lot of things so why

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not if they are in from disinformation

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people along is they're on our side

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okay so you got involved as a teenager

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as many of us did like Allen Greenfield

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and others and Jerome Clark as a matter

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of fact it was on last week's show so

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that's how you started now I assume you

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had a real life beyond UFOs right oh yes

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I I'm [\h__\h] now with but I I worked

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in Corrections down here in Tennessee

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for nearly 30 years and I've you know

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retired from that I worked in warehouse

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and commissary

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fun-fun-fun and so that was my that was

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my day job and how I kept a roof over my

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over my family's head food on the table

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but you know I've always had a deep

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interest an obsession really was

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aggravate my wife Joan when we'd go on a

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trip somewhere and we'd be passing

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through a town and I would instead of

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admiring statues or you know historic

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sites that most people would I would say

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this is where back in 1949 this incident

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happened my wife doesn't let me talk

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about that we got more to come

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we've got Brent Raines our guest co-host

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rains joins us now right now you're

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working with this magazine alternate

620
00:27:35,789 --> 00:27:33,049
perceptions is that a print magazine or

621
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strictly online its online since about

622
00:27:42,879 --> 00:27:39,639
2000 we were a print back in 1985

623
00:27:45,549 --> 00:27:42,889
started as Perry ufology forum and and

624
00:27:47,470 --> 00:27:45,559
at that time in the beginning it was

625
00:27:52,629 --> 00:27:47,480
about four pages to start with it was

626
00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:52,639
offset and then after a few years dr.

627
00:27:56,139 --> 00:27:54,169
Greg little who had been helping me with

628
00:27:59,680 --> 00:27:56,149
a lot of material he's a psychologist

629
00:28:01,810 --> 00:27:59,690
over in Memphis Tennessee he decided to

630
00:28:05,049 --> 00:28:01,820
come on board as a co-editor and help me

631
00:28:07,149 --> 00:28:05,059
publish it and we you know I went from

632
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:07,159
this where I just used the typewriter

633
00:28:14,370 --> 00:28:11,210
and typed it out and photo offset and

634
00:28:17,710 --> 00:28:14,380
then mailed it the old snail mail way we

635
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,720
had a more professional bulletin type

636
00:28:23,019 --> 00:28:19,760
about twelve pages that eventually

637
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:23,029
evolved into about 56 pages with a print

638
00:28:27,970 --> 00:28:25,610
cover a regular magazine and we had

639
00:28:31,090 --> 00:28:27,980
distributors across the US and then up

640
00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:31,100
into Canada but as you know things

641
00:28:37,389 --> 00:28:34,070
changed few years later and and the

642
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:37,399
internet came along and people weren't

643
00:28:41,139 --> 00:28:39,110
so interested in subscribing to

644
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:41,149
magazines they could go online and get

645
00:28:46,629 --> 00:28:43,970
their information so that's where we we

646
00:28:48,879 --> 00:28:46,639
went it was online so now alternate

647
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:48,889
perceptions as a digital electronic

648
00:28:55,299 --> 00:28:52,880
magazines I understand that they their

649
00:28:57,940 --> 00:28:55,309
newspapers and magazines that the whole

650
00:29:01,690 --> 00:28:57,950
industry has you know really been hit

651
00:29:04,899 --> 00:29:01,700
terribly in terms of print because you

652
00:29:08,259 --> 00:29:04,909
know they're the sales and we're falling

653
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:08,269
so much the numbers and but I must say

654
00:29:13,570 --> 00:29:11,210
that you know information the stories if

655
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:13,580
it's the same article it's the same

656
00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:16,450
information but I still hanker after

657
00:29:21,129 --> 00:29:19,070
actually holding a magazine in my hands

658
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:21,139
you know something you can take on a

659
00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:21,730
tray

660
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:24,340
on a bus or you know sit down and read

661
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:27,490
this and I know we've got iPads and

662
00:29:31,890 --> 00:29:29,650
tablets and things I can't and you can

663
00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:31,900
sit down without but it's just not the

664
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:34,540
same like myself and Jean before the

665
00:29:38,460 --> 00:29:35,950
recording we were just talking about

666
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:38,470
books and I don't read many books these

667
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:40,090
days because there's so much information

668
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:43,360
online but I must say that I find it the

669
00:29:47,550 --> 00:29:45,130
pleasure of you know reading an article

670
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:47,560
in the in the magazine I still prefer

671
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:50,710
that to reading this simple or same

672
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:53,350
article online what about you guys

673
00:29:58,460 --> 00:29:56,080
the physical object you know I think of

674
00:30:03,150 --> 00:29:58,470
the scene in Star Trek - Wrath of Khan

675
00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:03,160
where dr. McCoy hands Captain Kirk a

676
00:30:08,610 --> 00:30:06,160
book also reading glasses because he

677
00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:08,620
can't use the solution to clear up his

678
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:11,590
eyes and I think there's nothing like

679
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:13,450
reading a physical book and I wrote a

680
00:30:16,980 --> 00:30:15,610
lot of physical books although I don't

681
00:30:19,770 --> 00:30:16,990
read many of them anymore there were

682
00:30:21,870 --> 00:30:19,780
just technology books with a short shelf

683
00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:21,880
life although I have the science 5 books

684
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:25,000
I enjoy reading a real book I understand

685
00:30:29,490 --> 00:30:26,770
though the costs of making books isn't

686
00:30:31,530 --> 00:30:29,500
cheap but what happens now and I know

687
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,540
Tim Beckley takes advantage of this is

688
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:34,240
that you have print on demand which is

689
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:36,490
almost like a sophisticated copying

690
00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:39,130
machine that makes a book and you can

691
00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:40,900
also do with these high-resolution laser

692
00:30:44,730 --> 00:30:42,700
printers I have a laser printer here

693
00:30:46,380 --> 00:30:44,740
from brother you can buy it for hardly

694
00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:46,390
more than a hundred dollars if you use

695
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:49,630
recycled toner you pay a fraction of a

696
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:52,210
cent per page and if you get like a

697
00:31:00,510 --> 00:30:56,320
large one 1117 laser printer you could

698
00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:00,520
go to a place or buy machine to saddle

699
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,920
stitch it and print your own books for

700
00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:05,440
less than offset printing so you can do

701
00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:08,140
that now that's another way of doing it

702
00:31:13,260 --> 00:31:10,420
but I agree digital too has taken over

703
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:13,270
and the problem with that is it's easy

704
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:15,370
to get stuff online it's easy to get the

705
00:31:21,180 --> 00:31:18,010
Corrections up if you make a mistake but

706
00:31:26,610 --> 00:31:21,190
monetizing is just awful it's really

707
00:31:29,790 --> 00:31:26,620
hard yeah I I agree and I like the like

708
00:31:31,860 --> 00:31:29,800
Mr McKay just said I enjoy having a

709
00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:31,870
magazine or book in hand kind of kicking

710
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:34,150
back in a recliner or in bed before I

711
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:35,530
kind of sleep and

712
00:31:40,170 --> 00:31:37,570
and having myself a read you know it's

713
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:40,180
nothing like having the book that you

714
00:31:43,530 --> 00:31:42,310
say you're reading and and when you find

715
00:31:45,390 --> 00:31:43,540
something interesting you make a

716
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:45,400
notation in the back of the book and go

717
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:49,140
back to it later and it's really nice

718
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:53,290
but I'm you know what's interesting is

719
00:32:01,500 --> 00:31:56,050
though maybe fifteen years ago 20 years

720
00:32:03,690 --> 00:32:01,510
ago as you know records vinyl was going

721
00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:03,700
out and you couldn't buy it in the shop

722
00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:05,500
send him over and let you know that did

723
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,560
Billboard Top 40 it just wasn't being

724
00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:10,720
made in vinyl anymore and people just

725
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:13,060
thought you know it was gonna go the way

726
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:15,010
of the dinosaurs and people would

727
00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:18,280
collect two old vinyl records of stuff

728
00:32:24,030 --> 00:32:21,940
but hey you know it's 2018 and vinyl

729
00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:24,040
certainly in the UK is come back with a

730
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:26,980
vengeance things are being printed new

731
00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:30,130
music albums are being made and vinyl

732
00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:33,100
now and it's coming back into the music

733
00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:35,590
shops and we never know the you know

734
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:38,740
immediate they may just be a demand or

735
00:32:42,810 --> 00:32:40,690
for some reason a cultural change where

736
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:42,820
people think no I I do want to read a

737
00:32:47,790 --> 00:32:45,850
magazine now so it may happen things

738
00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:47,800
things do bounce back

739
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,230
the problem with final recordings is the

740
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:52,720
finite life you start playing in five or

741
00:32:58,620 --> 00:32:56,320
ten times and it deteriorates so of

742
00:33:01,230 --> 00:32:58,630
course what do people do the best thing

743
00:33:04,650 --> 00:33:01,240
that you do and a lot of people do is

744
00:33:06,990 --> 00:33:04,660
they digitize the vinyl recording by

745
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:07,000
playing the record and recording it on

746
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:08,290
your computer

747
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:11,770
this way the pristine quality of the

748
00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:13,450
original before it's scratched up is

749
00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:15,550
preserved otherwise you have to spend

750
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,900
really large amounts of money for the

751
00:33:21,630 --> 00:33:19,120
turntable that will take care of it

752
00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:21,640
so that is the issue also vinyl has that

753
00:33:28,830 --> 00:33:25,780
sound which is equalized that sound so

754
00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:28,840
pleasant it's even used as a plot device

755
00:33:36,530 --> 00:33:32,740
in some TV shows I see shows where

756
00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:36,540
somebody has an old-fashioned turntable

757
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:40,150
they put the needle on the beginning of

758
00:33:43,650 --> 00:33:42,610
the record and they play it and this is

759
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:43,660
something where I guess they're trying

760
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,970
to show culture or something like that

761
00:33:49,090 --> 00:33:47,440
let's get back to the UFO thing though

762
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:49,100
like I'll

763
00:33:56,890 --> 00:33:52,690
of us Brent you started out believing as

764
00:34:00,159 --> 00:33:56,900
the late Frank strangers did in the et

765
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:00,169
explanation but things began to shall we

766
00:34:07,889 --> 00:34:04,210
say modify themselves as you continued

767
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:07,899
yea within a short time I was also

768
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:11,119
reading because I I you know was reading

769
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:16,129
all I could get my hands on and John

770
00:34:24,730 --> 00:34:22,450
keel Jacques Vallee and Brad stager

771
00:34:26,770 --> 00:34:24,740
their writings really caught my

772
00:34:30,430 --> 00:34:26,780
attention I've called him the three

773
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:30,440
amigos and you know I started

774
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:32,510
corresponding with with John keel back

775
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:36,409
in October 1969 before his operation

776
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:39,440
Trojan horse came out and of course jock

777
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:44,210
belly his mess you know his his passport

778
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:47,710
- magana certainly was an alternative

779
00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:51,850
approach that startled shocked

780
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:53,750
infuriated a lot of people in the

781
00:34:58,410 --> 00:34:56,690
mainstream eleaf ology and and I thought

782
00:35:01,480 --> 00:34:58,420
well you know we we really do have to

783
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,490
listen to these people I mean check out

784
00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:03,200
what they're they're writing and saying

785
00:35:07,180 --> 00:35:05,900
they're they've been you know pioneers

786
00:35:09,070 --> 00:35:07,190
in this field and they're out in the

787
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:09,080
field investigating and doing a lot of

788
00:35:15,970 --> 00:35:12,410
research so why not listen into their

789
00:35:19,870 --> 00:35:15,980
alternative theories and so on and so I

790
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:19,880
did and and the more I I studied it the

791
00:35:24,340 --> 00:35:21,530
more I thought well you know this this

792
00:35:26,260 --> 00:35:24,350
is interesting qu'il brought out the the

793
00:35:29,950 --> 00:35:26,270
psychic paranormal element that a lot of

794
00:35:32,109 --> 00:35:29,960
people seeing Mothman you know from West

795
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:32,119
Virginia or are having experiences with

796
00:35:37,060 --> 00:35:35,930
with UFOs Close Encounters contact there

797
00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:37,070
were a lot of paranormal elements

798
00:35:41,290 --> 00:35:39,140
emerging from those cases and he wrote

799
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:41,300
about it and his his articles and

800
00:35:46,750 --> 00:35:43,250
England's flying saucer review and

801
00:35:49,210 --> 00:35:46,760
people in other countries you know were

802
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:49,220
checking it out in the field and and

803
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:50,990
reporting that they were finding similar

804
00:35:56,830 --> 00:35:54,890
patterns as well so I think that you

805
00:35:59,620 --> 00:35:56,840
know qu'il got off to a rough start

806
00:36:01,240 --> 00:35:59,630
because he he was so blunt and broad

807
00:36:03,010 --> 00:36:01,250
he's you know brought all these these

808
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:03,020
controversial things to the fore

809
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:06,890
but I think that he was was trying to

810
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:10,210
really do a service to the field and and

811
00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:13,610
present things where people in the

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it in a in a broader sense than than

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what a lot of lot of ufology had had

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pursued in the past that didn't take

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into consideration perhaps you know the

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psychological elements and whatever the

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origin whether it's a parallel world of

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steel you know theorized or it could be

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extraterrestrial some advanced

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intelligence that's beyond our present

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comprehension doing things that that

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clearly mystify us perplex us and and

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instead of looking at the big picture

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interesting is that them like yourself I

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had this classic progression of with

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UFOs thinking the th must be it and then

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being exposed to other ideas where it's

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a bit more high strange and it we cannot

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ignore the high strange aspects of many

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cases and we know there are many

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researchers in certain paranormal fields

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like in Bigfoot researchers or UFO

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researchers or ghost researchers and you

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know to them it's just that there is no

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crossover between these fields and stuff

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and I think it's all connected and it

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whoa you know it's weird that it seems

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that half of the field of ufology in

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terms of sightings and stuff it's almost

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as if this

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Lighting's are trying their damn best to

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appear like they're aliens from another

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planet whether they are or not but it is

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absolutely an effort to try and look

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like that and there's no way of knowing

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and where they're coming from but

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without a doubt ice okay it's so hard to

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think that just I've said this so many

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times on the show before the variety of

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modes of transport of how they move in

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what they move how they arrive how they

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go away what form they appear physically

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who they interact with what are they

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doing when they interact the numbers of

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sightings flaps everything there's there

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are so many strange aspects to this that

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I can't remember who said it but neatly

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I think there Nick Redfern says that you

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know if it turns out that these are just

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aliens coming from another planet he'd

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be disappointed because he thinks is far

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stranger than that I don't think it was

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Nick that first kind of said that but

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them he certainly reiterates it now

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right it was Valley that's right yeah

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Jacques Vallee exactly and who's still

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on to go of course I am

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and I I read passport mangonia and I

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read operation Trojan horse

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I haven't read Muslim prophecies yet

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well I am fascinated by the high strange

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aspects and I read Nick Redferns

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mysterious universe posts avidly where

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he's done so many on there woman and

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black men and black he know black-eyed

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kids and there's this the same themes

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running through it and it to me is that

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there has to be one it's almost like

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there's a there's a paranormal force and

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it's a cause of all these things and it

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chooses to manifest in different ways

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maybe as a response to what's in our

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brains or whatever and that's the reason

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people have different experiences

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wherever but I think it's the same thing

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that Bigfoot comes from the ghosts come

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from that whatever I think it all comes

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from the same force

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reason this force has a that like the

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first and Star Wars or you know at

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religious good and evil there seems to

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be a dark side and the light side to it

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and it manifests in dark ways and it

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manifest as light ways but I think it's

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all from the same source would you would

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you think about that frantic kind of

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thing well that's a lot of that's very

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Cillian I mean John keel thought there

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was a reflective factor that a lot of

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times it took on an appearance that

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would be most acceptable to our

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particular belief systems and you know

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more and more Valley was was moving in

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that direction like with passport to

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Mageau near he was looking at the Little

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People mythology as we call it or belief

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systems that that arose from those

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encounters centuries ago and yeah and

1046
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and and the similarities fairies

1047
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leprechauns gnomes the elementals and

1048
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and these beings do a lot of the same

1049
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things that the beings in the modern UFO

1050
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contact encounters reported doing going

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through walls in a ghost-like manner

1052
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appearing disappearing they often

1053
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communicate telepathically mind-to-mind

1054
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and you know there was all these belief

1055
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systems about this this how they lived

1056
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underground and you could go to a ring

1057
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of a fairy ring mushrooms and and you

1058
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know the fairies might appear there and

1059
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they might sing and dance around and and

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you had to be careful you might end up

1061
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with some missing time if you

1062
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encountered them and might do a deep

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thing you might show up a year or two

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later or a hundred years later and find

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out you had this missing time but if you

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have you heard poi about you forests in

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Romania I remember you know I I read

1068
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something about Romanian encounters I'm

1069
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not sure if that was the same location a

1070
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lot of activity UFO type entity type

1071
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stuff back in it was in back in the

1072
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1950s and it was in yeah flying saucer

1073
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review back years ago I think it's in

1074
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it's in not area exactly and there's a

1075
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mmm

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even when Romania was a you know a

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dictatorship communist state under

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Ceausescu they seemed to the scientific

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community the Academy there it they

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didn't seem to frown on the study of

1081
00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:14,190
this but there's I can't remember the

1082
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:15,420
name of the guy but there's been a

1083
00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:18,270
couple of em you know very credible

1084
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:21,150
researchers over there who have been

1085
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:23,070
been researching these sightings and

1086
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:25,530
stuff and anyway this Forest High about

1087
00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:29,460
you it has a it's got a very weird a

1088
00:48:36,140 --> 00:48:33,150
very strange trees growing in it there

1089
00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:36,150
are really weird shapes and they like

1090
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:38,520
many kind of paranormal hot spots in the

1091
00:48:44,810 --> 00:48:40,650
world earth there's so many stories

1092
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:44,820
associated with it and um for instance

1093
00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:46,530
as you're saying about you know missing

1094
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:49,859
time there's a story about a girl going

1095
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:52,800
missing and she was gone for five years

1096
00:49:00,260 --> 00:48:56,250
and she came back still other parent age

1097
00:49:02,089 --> 00:49:00,270
same clothes you know hadn't worn didn't

1098
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:02,099
didn't look like she'd had all that time

1099
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:04,920
passed and there's a little circular

1100
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:09,540
patch where nothing grows properly am so

1101
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:11,220
it's like a little bald spot that's

1102
00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:13,710
almost a circle in this forest and this

1103
00:49:19,849 --> 00:49:16,980
seems to be the kind of there the the

1104
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,859
nexus of everything there and I've seen

1105
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,079
a few paranormal shows going over there

1106
00:49:28,450 --> 00:49:25,200
recently in the last few years to to go

1107
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:28,460
and study it and they've encountered

1108
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:31,260
very strange feelings like they've

1109
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:34,740
suddenly become extremely scared I for

1110
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:36,660
no reason this was reported at

1111
00:49:41,420 --> 00:49:39,540
skinwalker ranch as well so some of

1112
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:41,430
these entities seem to have the ability

1113
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:43,560
to switch on the fear response in humans

1114
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:47,970
but at a maximum level and AM that's

1115
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:50,910
been reported and obviously and orbs I

1116
00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:52,920
don't mean photographic the carbs but

1117
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:55,859
axial you know things and moving lights

1118
00:50:00,859 --> 00:49:58,170
you can see in the forest with your own

1119
00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:00,869
eyes and no there's no apparent source

1120
00:50:05,809 --> 00:50:03,750
for these lights so it still let like a

1121
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:05,819
lot of paranormal hotspots there's

1122
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:07,710
probably times where not much is

1123
00:50:10,650 --> 00:50:09,660
reported and then you get like a flap of

1124
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:10,660
activity

1125
00:50:16,830 --> 00:50:13,990
but it's Anna Bhadra bad or a mystical

1126
00:50:19,230 --> 00:50:16,840
reputation for hundreds of years but

1127
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,240
certainly as you're saying it in the 50s

1128
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:21,520
and 60s there are some fantastic photos

1129
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:24,970
taken of saucers and various other

1130
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:26,530
objects and they were flying over this

1131
00:50:31,410 --> 00:50:29,050
forest and elsewhere in Romania

1132
00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:31,420
you know Romania and Bulgaria both

1133
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,630
places I've been to and you know even

1134
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:36,880
even during the Communist times there

1135
00:50:41,220 --> 00:50:39,310
was actually a lot of study of UFOs and

1136
00:50:44,010 --> 00:50:41,230
damn there's actually some great cases

1137
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,020
in these places like all over the world

1138
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:46,240
but I always mentioned that there are

1139
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:47,890
parts of the world that probably is just

1140
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:49,930
a cultural thing but we don't hear much

1141
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:52,000
about we don't tend to hear much about

1142
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:55,510
UFOs in Africa but there must be you

1143
00:51:03,270 --> 00:50:57,250
know apart from things like them the

1144
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:03,280
zimbabwe school piece and we're also

1145
00:51:07,470 --> 00:51:05,170
supposed maybe somebody tipper you know

1146
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,480
for a huge continent you think we would

1147
00:51:13,170 --> 00:51:10,000
hear more about UFO cases from Africa

1148
00:51:16,260 --> 00:51:13,180
but we don't rhyme but we know they're

1149
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:16,270
there there that's that's for sure yeah

1150
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:18,610
and you know with remind Romania I

1151
00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:20,850
remember of this article that I read

1152
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:24,340
Brent let's discuss that article in our

1153
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:26,730
next segment because we have some girls

1154
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:30,490
with Jean and gongs and Brenner in the

1155
00:51:47,370 --> 00:51:42,260
thank you for listening to GCS

1156
00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:49,840
attack of the rock AIDS has been

1157
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well-received by critics and readers

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alike it's a thrill a minute story

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you'll never forget a former US military

1160
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intelligence officer is haunted by

1161
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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1162
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pleading for his help after a terrible

1163
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battle in outer space but the dreams

1164
00:52:09,580 --> 00:52:07,490
turned out to be true

1165
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and thrust him into a telepathic love

1166
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affair with a woman whose faraway planet

1167
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is intent on destroying the earth and

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now the gripping tale continues in the

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

1207
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standard of paranormal radio and now

1208
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:13,819
here's Jane Steinberg oh I miss that way

1209
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:15,710
of saying things so much this guy's got

1210
00:54:21,069 --> 00:54:17,510
the most wonderful accent the world gods

1211
00:54:23,140 --> 00:54:21,079
makai our guest co-host Brent rains gene

1212
00:54:24,789 --> 00:54:23,150
Steinberg Brent I'm sorry to have

1213
00:54:26,260 --> 00:54:24,799
interrupted you but we always have to do

1214
00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:26,270
these announcements take care of the

1215
00:54:30,690 --> 00:54:28,190
pieces of business go ahead please oh

1216
00:54:33,789 --> 00:54:30,700
sure yeah I remember a case I think was

1217
00:54:35,799 --> 00:54:33,799
1957 a young college student who was in

1218
00:54:37,329 --> 00:54:35,809
this area of Romania and it was in

1219
00:54:39,250 --> 00:54:37,339
flying saucer view and they did have a

1220
00:54:41,140 --> 00:54:39,260
lot of pictures published with the

1221
00:54:44,859 --> 00:54:41,150
article one that they thought might be

1222
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:44,869
an entity and anyway the story was and

1223
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,599
I've heard similar stories and it's high

1224
00:54:51,940 --> 00:54:50,240
strangeness where this guy had seen this

1225
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:51,950
strange object come down out of the sky

1226
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:55,760
and it landed inside this bush so he

1227
00:55:00,730 --> 00:54:58,010
takes a stick and he pokes it into the

1228
00:55:02,410 --> 00:55:00,740
bush and the stick disappears and then

1229
00:55:04,539 --> 00:55:02,420
he pokes a little further and gets to

1230
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:04,549
his hand and he has this burning

1231
00:55:11,140 --> 00:55:08,540
sensation and it was as I recall caused

1232
00:55:13,870 --> 00:55:11,150
quite a bit of pain but he was okay

1233
00:55:16,539 --> 00:55:13,880
afterwards but there's a lot of

1234
00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:16,549
interesting stories like that I there

1235
00:55:22,750 --> 00:55:18,470
was another one from Brazil that I had

1236
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:22,760
had read where a beam of light hit a car

1237
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:25,609
that this guy was driving in the roof of

1238
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:27,170
the car disappeared you know and you

1239
00:55:32,010 --> 00:55:29,690
hear stories like this and you think

1240
00:55:34,690 --> 00:55:32,020
what are we dealing with here you know I

1241
00:55:38,349 --> 00:55:34,700
remember keel riding once in one of his

1242
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:38,359
books his early books ghosts UFOs what's

1243
00:55:42,339 --> 00:55:40,609
the difference you know we build up all

1244
00:55:44,650 --> 00:55:42,349
these separate disciplines you know the

1245
00:55:47,020 --> 00:55:44,660
ghost hunters are not supposed to a lot

1246
00:55:49,930 --> 00:55:47,030
of feel people feel to go outside that

1247
00:55:53,140 --> 00:55:49,940
discipline the cryptozoologists they

1248
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:53,150
stay within their camp and the apologist

1249
00:55:58,329 --> 00:55:55,910
a lot of expectation and pressure social

1250
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,339
pressure is they stay in their field as

1251
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:00,559
well and no one if you veer out you're

1252
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:01,850
becoming part of the

1253
00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:04,250
lunatic fringe or you're not you're not

1254
00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:06,440
part of the solution but on the other

1255
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:08,990
hand how do you address how do you you

1256
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,090
know explain all of these other

1257
00:56:16,180 --> 00:56:13,280
anomalous things that keep cropping up

1258
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:16,190
all over the world let's take all their

1259
00:56:20,650 --> 00:56:19,130
Bigfoot sightings and you've got people

1260
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:20,660
arguing that there are an unknown

1261
00:56:26,740 --> 00:56:24,410
primate or under you gets less for

1262
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:26,750
instance East and gordon's research and

1263
00:56:34,180 --> 00:56:30,610
there are many cases of Bigfoot and

1264
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:34,190
Sasquatch let's call it where maybe

1265
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:36,170
there's footsteps and snow or something

1266
00:56:42,010 --> 00:56:39,290
Inez lis just disappear and they've been

1267
00:56:44,140 --> 00:56:42,020
shot at and they just disappear I was

1268
00:56:46,930 --> 00:56:44,150
just wondering people always say about

1269
00:56:48,370 --> 00:56:46,940
how they've got human-like faces and you

1270
00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:48,380
know they feel they've got some kind of

1271
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:51,350
intelligence so let's disco on a wacky

1272
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:53,450
thought here and like if humans have

1273
00:56:59,500 --> 00:56:57,290
souls that when we die can hang around

1274
00:57:01,870 --> 00:56:59,510
somehow and not go on to where they're

1275
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:01,880
supposed to after and they can be

1276
00:57:06,790 --> 00:57:03,050
apparitions

1277
00:57:09,420 --> 00:57:06,800
well perhaps Sasquatch has a soul as

1278
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:09,430
well and sometimes people see a Bigfoot

1279
00:57:16,210 --> 00:57:13,010
apparition and that's why it can

1280
00:57:18,610 --> 00:57:16,220
disappear and that can explain that so

1281
00:57:21,490 --> 00:57:18,620
maybe there are real like physical

1282
00:57:24,220 --> 00:57:21,500
animals if you like or type of humans

1283
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:24,230
that are Sasquatch but other times that

1284
00:57:30,550 --> 00:57:28,370
are almost like Bigfoot ghosts and Luke

1285
00:57:32,530 --> 00:57:30,560
soul and stuff but disappear so now that

1286
00:57:35,620 --> 00:57:32,540
may I be a wacky explanation for the

1287
00:57:37,540 --> 00:57:35,630
ones that seem to come and go I got

1288
00:57:40,570 --> 00:57:37,550
interested in Bigfoot back in the 70s

1289
00:57:42,370 --> 00:57:40,580
and and went out on the field myself and

1290
00:57:46,620 --> 00:57:42,380
talked with a number of witnesses and

1291
00:57:49,330 --> 00:57:46,630
researchers and I know a case here in

1292
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:49,340
not far from where I live here now and

1293
00:57:56,620 --> 00:57:52,720
here in Tennessee I call flint ville and

1294
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:56,630
it was a small community and this was

1295
00:57:59,650 --> 00:57:58,400
out in the country is this one of these

1296
00:58:01,960 --> 00:57:59,660
ones where they're trying to habituate

1297
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:01,970
them and become more friendly with them

1298
00:58:09,250 --> 00:58:04,880
yeah they were they there was one

1299
00:58:11,410 --> 00:58:09,260
elderly woman that I talked with and in

1300
00:58:14,290 --> 00:58:11,420
her case she was she was throwing food

1301
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:14,300
out the back window you know the kitchen

1302
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:15,530
sink

1303
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:17,330
this creature she said she was seeing

1304
00:58:21,250 --> 00:58:19,730
and then about three or four houses down

1305
00:58:23,020 --> 00:58:21,260
there was the family that they had a

1306
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,030
young four-year-old child the thing had

1307
00:58:27,970 --> 00:58:25,760
grabbed at and they pulled it inside the

1308
00:58:29,770 --> 00:58:27,980
house and shut the door and there was a

1309
00:58:32,530 --> 00:58:29,780
gentleman that lived in between him who

1310
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:32,540
worked in a grocery store and and he was

1311
00:58:37,300 --> 00:58:35,090
telling me that he didn't really believe

1312
00:58:40,510 --> 00:58:37,310
in Bigfoot per se thought this was some

1313
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:40,520
kind of genetic mutation crossbreeding

1314
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,410
between some different species of

1315
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:44,480
animals or something couldn't tell me

1316
00:58:48,130 --> 00:58:46,370
what animals but anyway he didn't want

1317
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:48,140
to believe in Bigfoot yet here in that

1318
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:51,410
and so and he was more worried about the

1319
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:52,910
hunters who were going around trying to

1320
00:58:58,020 --> 00:58:54,650
shoot it you know or the crank phone

1321
00:59:00,580 --> 00:58:58,030
calls he was getting but he told me that

1322
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:00,590
whatever this creature was around which

1323
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:03,440
he described a hairy six or seven foot

1324
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:07,370
tall air covered humanoid form and he

1325
00:59:10,180 --> 00:59:08,690
said that whenever the creature was

1326
00:59:11,380 --> 00:59:10,190
around there were these little balls of

1327
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:11,390
light that would appear over the

1328
00:59:21,550 --> 00:59:17,200
treetops yes and an Indian in New Jersey

1329
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:21,560
back in back in seventy seventy seven I

1330
00:59:25,780 --> 00:59:23,930
went down there in April and I was

1331
00:59:29,050 --> 00:59:25,790
investigating some stories in around

1332
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:29,060
Summerville area and there was one young

1333
00:59:33,730 --> 00:59:31,610
man who claimed that this thing he heard

1334
00:59:36,820 --> 00:59:33,740
footsteps behind him and he turned

1335
00:59:39,690 --> 00:59:36,830
around with a splash light and he was

1336
00:59:42,430 --> 00:59:39,700
face-to-face with a with a Bigfoot and

1337
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:42,440
said he and the Bigfoot both were like

1338
00:59:46,660 --> 00:59:44,330
frozen sort of staring at each other

1339
00:59:49,630 --> 00:59:46,670
while there was a little tiny ball of

1340
00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:49,640
light a few feet behind the Bigfoot

1341
00:59:54,670 --> 00:59:52,070
making kind of a high-pitched sound and

1342
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:54,680
then as soon as the light extinguished

1343
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:57,290
itself and the sound stopped the Bigfoot

1344
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turned around and went the other way and

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01:00:03,790 --> 01:00:01,430
he continued on the road path that he

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01:00:04,620 --> 01:00:03,800
was on in the direction he you know the

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01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:04,630
opposite direction

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Brooksville Florida friend of mine who

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01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:11,150
had been through a UFO close encounter

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01:00:17,230 --> 01:00:14,930
and poltergeist activity all this went

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01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:17,240
to investigate Bigfoot in Brooksville

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:20,720
which is a well-known UFO Bigfoot

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01:00:28,450 --> 01:00:25,970
hotspot from the 60s and she was telling

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01:00:29,890 --> 01:00:28,460
me at the time as I recall that

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01:00:32,620 --> 01:00:29,900
this was gonna be different you know she

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had corresponding with John keel and who

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01:00:36,839 --> 01:00:35,180
helped her deal with the issues she was

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experiencing during the poltergeist

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manifestations but she didn't think that

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the Bigfoot was involved and all of

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those other elements and but she got

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over there and began investigating cases

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01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:50,500
and pretty soon she and her partner

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we're seeing the Bigfoot and UFO was

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01:00:59,859 --> 01:00:57,530
right in the same areas and she even

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showed me a stretch of road a little

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two-lane road where there was like swamp

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area on both sides and telling me how

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this big ball of light had come down in

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front of her car landed in the road and

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then took back off and her partner his

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name was Dwayne told me about they were

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at this ranch where they were all these

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01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:19,400
sightings where they had actually seen

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Bigfoot and what they were calling

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Bigfoot and this kind of a disc flew low

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over his head with like windows in it so

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from those experiences I you know I

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really thought well I think there's a

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connection you know yeah there has to be

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I'm sorry these some of these cases you

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were mentioning what were they mostly in

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in Tennessee I know the you know the one

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was Ramona and her pondered way and that

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was that was in Florida in Brooksville

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Florida and then the other one with the

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the man and the Bigfoot who came

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face-to-face and then was the little

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point of light with the high-pitched

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sound that was in New Jersey yeah I find

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what I find are often quite interesting

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as well is when you sometimes you you

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hear these recordings of apparently and

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a Bigfoot and you know you've you've got

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to really imagine the context where

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somebody may be deep deep in the

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northwest of you know Oregon or

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Washington Woods or in you know Western

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Canada and we're talking hundreds of

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miles from you know any city and stuff

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burn and just maybe small towns around

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and you know there's not going to be

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lots of people setting up speaker

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- to fake these sounds and it's why

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often these are hunters of known these

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weeds all their lives they know where

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all the big animals sound like and some

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of these recordings of their suppose a

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big fruit center you know I can't

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identify them and it it automatically

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gives me a chill up my bark as if as if

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there's some kind of genetic memory or

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understanding by on a biological

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cellular level that that is another

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intelligent creature along the lines of

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humans and it's kind of howling and

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clicking and whatever it's you know it's

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obviously can't speak like we can but

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there it does seem to be some kind of

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communication more to come with Brenton

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commenting on there some of the

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recordings have heard the apparent

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volume and power of these calls are

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frightening and there's obviously to

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generate that kind of sound tix takes a

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lot of energy takes a very large

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diaphragm and vocal cords I don't think

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all these maybe some of them are but

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some of these recordings to be appear

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genuine and I can't positively identify

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what's made these noises but it doesn't

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sound like anything I've seen on a David

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Attenborough sure you know it is

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something different I know what do you

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think about if you ever heard any of

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01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:42,850
these about a Bigfoot calls friend not

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personally I know that I've listened to

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some audio as you you have some I've

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heard I I didn't really can't really

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tell I don't really know the people and

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haven't been to the the sites but it's

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it's interesting some of them almost

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sound like they're trying to speak I

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remember listening to a recording that

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Stan Gordon had when I visited him back

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in 75 where there was a recording of a

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creature

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that was believed to be big but he'll

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believe that there was actually these

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were actually temporary appearances you

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know you would have a Bigfoot or some

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other kind of cryptid that was seen for

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a certain limited period of time and it

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would be animal mutilations and things

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occurring in that area and then it would

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cease like they just disappeared from

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that that that region and it might go on

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for a few days a week or two it would

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often follow that pattern and you'd say

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you know that a creature that size would

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have to have a big appetite and then he

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thought that maybe they were some sort

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of temporary you know they either went

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off to back to another dimension perhaps

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where they came from or else they were

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or they were perhaps temporary creations

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that they were temporary forms that

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eventually decomposed because they've

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been reports you know the creatures

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actually just vanishing that would be

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the end of it it's it's hard to say I

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mean is it's a some pretty pretty spooky

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high strangeness stuff has been reported

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going back to us boys what do we think

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of the current state of the of the field

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and you were mentioning earlier about

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how maybe UFOs are appealing to people

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or were in a form that they can accept

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as of the time and we can see that

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there's been a progression of the type

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of UFOs and the type of encounters and

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the type of beings and things like that

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I just wonder I don't my fingers not

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really on the pulse to snow but you know

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01:11:49,459 --> 01:11:46,800
have there been any good sightings

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01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:49,469
recently or anything caught on film

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01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:51,690
that's you know worth looking at are

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01:11:56,540 --> 01:11:54,060
there any reported encounters like third

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01:12:00,290 --> 01:11:56,550
characters of the Third Kind or better

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01:12:03,770 --> 01:12:00,300
is there anything new in the last year

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01:12:07,490 --> 01:12:03,780
but there are really always sightings

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01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,500
going on whether we we're up on the

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latest or not and of course a lot of

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people don't don't want to get involved

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a quest is the national UFO Reporting

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Center up in Washington state that that

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Dabba missile silo

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because a lot of those turn out to be

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have natural explanations Venus on the

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horizon or a fireball or something but

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you know I just talked to a family on

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the phone that had a pretty good

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sighting I think down in Gulf Shores

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back on April 24th and they try to get

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pictures but all the pictures are kind

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of blurry it was a you know not the best

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camera to views but they did capture a

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light it wasn't on a tripod so it was

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handheld so they had about nine pictures

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01:13:01,060 --> 01:12:58,460
where it's kind of shaky from their

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testimony they they really saw something

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that moved up the shore extremely fast

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and was sort of like a and one instance

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01:13:14,050 --> 01:13:10,840
like the globe of some kind of round

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01:13:16,450 --> 01:13:14,060
basketball looking thing that split into

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01:13:17,890 --> 01:13:16,460
two basketball things then came back

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01:13:20,290 --> 01:13:17,900
together and then went down the shore

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and then split apart again and then came

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01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:22,340
back together and then just disappeared

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01:13:26,530 --> 01:13:25,010
and they had a feeling that it knew

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where they were because it came right up

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over the hotel where they were watching

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01:13:35,530 --> 01:13:33,020
it from but there are no telling how

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many I know that the dr. Edgar Mitchell

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foundation for research into

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extraterrestrial encounters or

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extraordinary encounters they they have

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01:13:49,540 --> 01:13:46,190
received several thousand reports from

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01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:49,550
people claiming encounters with being

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you know non-human intelligent beings

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01:13:58,090 --> 01:13:55,429
and a lot of the the things that they

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they have a survey that people fill out

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:01,010
and there's several hundred questions

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and a lot of it deals with the

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paranormal and and the interactions with

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beings many times on a psychic level and

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01:14:14,740 --> 01:14:12,530
we need really more studies to pursue

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01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:14,750
this and really narrow down the

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locations to of where these things are

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happening and other information remember

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as well that it's definitely the case

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always the case that say of of 102

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01:14:31,450 --> 01:14:28,190
sightings you know how many actually get

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reported there's gonna be thousands of

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great sightings showing the world that

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there was no

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record of people don't want to report it

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because they're not into it they don't

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want to believe it something or they

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don't think anyone cares you know but

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obviously a percentage is so I always

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used to say that there are that are

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actually I'm I don't notice an app for

1680
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like a modern phone but there are

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01:15:00,090 --> 01:14:56,640
certainly websites and stuff that log

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visually are on the map and current and

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01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:03,220
recent UFO sightings but with everyone

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virtually everyone walking around the

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smartphone no be fantastic to have a

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program that just alerts you and says oh

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there's been a UF was posted in your

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area and because these kind of

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communications are almost instantaneous

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you you there wouldn't really be any lag

1691
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and if you're in the area you could like

1692
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run outside and have a look up because

1693
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:24,190
you know it's all this thing about you

1694
01:15:29,460 --> 01:15:26,490
know you need to look up to see UFOs

1695
01:15:32,460 --> 01:15:29,470
unless one really comes and forces its

1696
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presence on youth but just to see things

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in the sky you know people don't tend to

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look up and because they want to look at

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their iPhone exactly exactly

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this is how our entire world has been

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totally disrupted because we do that the

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other thing here I want to ask Brent and

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this is my Bugaboo with more about mu

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phones questionnaires and such then the

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national UFO Reporting Center is the

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limited amount of questions they ask

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about anything other than what you saw

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and they treat it like you are

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witnessing something in external

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available and nothing about your

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personal experience and your background

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that might reflect on what you saw but

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we've got so much more lots more to talk

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about with Brent Raines and cogs Makai

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so as I was saying in the previous

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section one of the Bugaboos that I have

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with the structure of investigating UFO

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01:21:22,890 --> 01:21:20,380
sightings in the questionnaires and more

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MUFON than national UFO Reporting Center

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because there it's kind of you report

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what you're going to report but probably

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nobody's gonna call you back it's just

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collecting sightings with MUFON they do

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have the facilities to actually

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investigate things but what they're

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asking there is about what they regard

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as an external event you looked into UFO

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it's something external to you you don't

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01:21:49,589 --> 01:21:47,380
look at the family background did you

1831
01:21:52,739 --> 01:21:49,599
ever see a UFO before but a ghost what

1832
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about Bigfoot did you ever suffer a case

1833
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:55,269
of missing time none of that

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01:22:01,140 --> 01:21:58,480
and I asked Jane horizon-- of MUFON last

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year I said what about these additional

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matters which we think are important if

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you don't any sin if the witness

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includes it of certainly will collect it

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01:22:12,799 --> 01:22:10,929
but they will do nothing to ask the

1840
01:22:16,140 --> 01:22:12,809
questions in the first place or consider

1841
01:22:20,569 --> 01:22:16,150
UFOs again as anything but an external

1842
01:22:23,729 --> 01:22:20,579
event I've been invited to a MUFON

1843
01:22:27,419 --> 01:22:23,739
meeting to talk at one time and I was

1844
01:22:30,359 --> 01:22:27,429
asked not to mention EVPs and not to

1845
01:22:33,299 --> 01:22:30,369
mention poltergeist manifestations as I

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had done a previous time and I said boy

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that's starting to limit me that's

1848
01:22:40,890 --> 01:22:38,230
shameful really because it's one thing

1849
01:22:43,890 --> 01:22:40,900
is one thing for MUFON not to incur

1850
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:43,900
include these questions or not not to

1851
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follow up and check back with people

1852
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:48,670
weeks after the sighting to see if

1853
01:22:53,370 --> 01:22:51,010
anything else weird Hampton was one

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01:22:56,250 --> 01:22:53,380
thing for them to be remiss but it's

1855
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another for them to see no you may not

1856
01:23:02,009 --> 01:22:59,019
include that an us that's kind of

1857
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censorship on us that's the stuff I

1858
01:23:07,399 --> 01:23:04,420
don't like when the blinkers are on and

1859
01:23:09,060 --> 01:23:07,409
it's like no UFOs are solid objects

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01:23:11,250 --> 01:23:09,070
constructed they come from another

1861
01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:11,260
planet and you witness that and that's

1862
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that and it's so narrow a viewpoint it

1863
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:16,429
may be correctly me

1864
01:23:20,050 --> 01:23:18,290
the correct information are good and

1865
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:20,060
build a good picture of what happened

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but at the same time they're just not

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allowing themselves to even think that

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other factors may come into play or

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other experiences may be connected and

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because you know I I have to think that

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you know quite often people who see one

1872
01:23:40,990 --> 01:23:39,140
weird thing we have some other thing as

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DeAnza said they may have ghosts

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poltergeists or there may be some family

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history of you know the grandmother saw

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something and everyone and all these

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things but definitely the net needs to

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be cast wider and the investigations

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need to basically just have no

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boundaries I know I know you can't like

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ask an infinite number of questions but

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you can certainly just even say it has

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anything else strange happened you know

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to you recently or in the past is even

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if they had one question like ah it

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opens up the possibility for the person

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01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:19,250
being interviewed the witness to say

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well a year ago this happened or if back

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in her old house whatever but what you

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just said their event there that was

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censorship and not that really bums me

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01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:34,070
back in 1973 when we had that massive

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01:24:39,490 --> 01:24:36,650
UFO wave that was being reported all

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over the country I was down in and in

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01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:41,540
around Jacksonville Florida and there

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01:24:48,189 --> 01:24:44,810
was a young woman there who had reported

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01:24:50,530 --> 01:24:48,199
seeing a disc-shaped object with lights

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around the rim flying low over the

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01:24:57,130 --> 01:24:53,360
treetops right right near her on two

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01:24:59,399 --> 01:24:57,140
separate nights and myself and my friend

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01:25:03,399 --> 01:24:59,409
Ramona who came to investigate the

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01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:03,409
Bigfoot in Brooksville and also was an

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01:25:10,060 --> 01:25:06,290
experienced herself with UFO poltergeist

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01:25:13,870 --> 01:25:10,070
manifestations she was there also and

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01:25:16,810 --> 01:25:13,880
you know I was just learning how to talk

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01:25:20,020 --> 01:25:16,820
to people and she brought up the point

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01:25:23,229 --> 01:25:20,030
asking this young woman have you had any

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01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:23,239
other unusual experiences in your life

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01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:27,050
and her initial reaction was well no and

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01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:30,080
then she paused and then she says well

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01:25:34,900 --> 01:25:32,090
there was a time that I got a phone call

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from someone that I knew who was dead

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01:25:41,050 --> 01:25:38,240
and they wanted to come visit me and I

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cried and I said no no and then she

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01:25:46,210 --> 01:25:42,950
remembered another time I'm seeing an

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01:25:49,300 --> 01:25:46,220
apparition and pretty soon there was

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01:25:51,250 --> 01:25:49,310
gosh a half dozen or so stories you know

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01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:51,260
from this girl who initially said no but

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01:25:56,740 --> 01:25:54,050
she'd kind of pushed it all back and you

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01:25:58,660 --> 01:25:56,750
know in her memory and she was mainly

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01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:58,670
focused on what was happening in present

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01:26:03,490 --> 01:26:01,520
time and then Ramona told me that this

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01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:03,500
is how you need to approach things now I

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01:26:08,830 --> 01:26:06,110
generally go by an unstructured

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01:26:11,050 --> 01:26:08,840
interview approach and I just let the

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01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:11,060
person tell their story as much as they

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01:26:15,490 --> 01:26:13,130
want and then ask follow-up questions

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and ask you know has there been any

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other things that have mystified you or

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01:26:22,780 --> 01:26:20,180
puzzle of you over the years and see

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01:26:25,450 --> 01:26:22,790
what they say from there and and Jacques

1932
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:25,460
Vallee wrote about a woman in California

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01:26:29,290 --> 01:26:27,770
he had interviewed one time he was

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following up on a report by some

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01:26:33,580 --> 01:26:31,610
investigators he had read the reports

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01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:33,590
and then he went to interview this

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01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:35,360
witness who had seen a craft that rose

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into the air and then took off down a

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01:26:43,870 --> 01:26:41,480
valley when he was interviewing the

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01:26:46,300 --> 01:26:43,880
witness he noticed that the witness said

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01:26:48,460 --> 01:26:46,310
that the UFO the solid-looking object

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01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:48,470
actually passed directly through these

1943
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:51,530
trees like it was a ghost you know ghost

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01:26:56,020 --> 01:26:54,290
ship valley said well the report by

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01:26:58,990 --> 01:26:56,030
these other people doesn't mention that

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01:27:01,960 --> 01:26:59,000
have come it's not in their report and

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01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:01,970
he said well I could tell from the

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01:27:05,650 --> 01:27:03,920
things they were telling me and before

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01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:05,660
we did the interview that they didn't

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believe yeah they would have they

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01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:09,290
wouldn't have believed it so I didn't

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01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:10,730
tell them but I says I he said I can

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01:27:14,020 --> 01:27:12,560
tell you're more open-minded I want to

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stop and interrupt you for a second

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01:27:17,860 --> 01:27:15,140
Brent because is really an interesting

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01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:17,870
point do you see any other evidence of

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01:27:23,050 --> 01:27:19,970
that where people will hold back they're

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01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:23,060
really wacky stuff because they don't

1959
01:27:27,340 --> 01:27:25,130
want people to disbelieve them and

1960
01:27:29,050 --> 01:27:27,350
certainly an organization like MUFON

1961
01:27:31,540 --> 01:27:29,060
that's looking for spaceships because

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they're evangelizing spaceships they'll

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01:27:35,530 --> 01:27:32,990
never asked the question they'll never

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pursue something but I guess if you make

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a person feel comfortable that you're

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01:27:43,410 --> 01:27:40,280
not going to laugh at them when they

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01:27:45,630 --> 01:27:43,420
give you the wacky aspects such as

1968
01:27:48,900 --> 01:27:45,640
something going through the trees they

1969
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:48,910
may tell you yeah I have encountered

1970
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:52,090
that a number of times in fact there was

1971
01:27:58,260 --> 01:27:54,489
a case that comes to mind up around the

1972
01:28:00,990 --> 01:27:58,270
spring Spring Hill area north of me that

1973
01:28:02,939 --> 01:28:01,000
I was investigating a few years ago and

1974
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:02,949
this gentleman initially reported his

1975
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:05,290
sighting to MUFON but I believe I was

1976
01:28:09,959 --> 01:28:07,330
the yeah was the first investigated

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01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:09,969
actually arrived on the scene and do an

1978
01:28:15,300 --> 01:28:12,370
investigation I had heard I was in touch

1979
01:28:19,229 --> 01:28:15,310
with the state head of meu fond at that

1980
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time and so I went up and interviewed

1981
01:28:24,630 --> 01:28:21,640
the people and about there he and his

1982
01:28:29,790 --> 01:28:24,640
wife seeing a kind of disc shape domed

1983
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object flying by the house and then I

1984
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went ahead and just you know let him

1985
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tell his story and then ask questions

1986
01:28:41,729 --> 01:28:38,429
and as anything else ever happened and

1987
01:28:44,430 --> 01:28:41,739
he told of other stories and ventually I

1988
01:28:46,350 --> 01:28:44,440
also got in touch with his brother his

1989
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twin brother who lived up in New York at

1990
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the time who confirmed a lot of these

1991
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events that went back to childhood and

1992
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:53,020
but he told me something very

1993
01:29:00,510 --> 01:28:57,280
interesting he said that and I think was

1994
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:00,520
Cherry Creek New York which I know has

1995
01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:03,040
had other reports of UFO type activity

1996
01:29:12,030 --> 01:29:06,460
that he was hunting up there one winner

1997
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:12,040
and he saw a deer and he was he was

1998
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fixing to take aim and all of a sudden

1999
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:16,630
the deer became a silver sooted being

2000
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:23,050
and this being held out its left hand he

2001
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kind of demonstrated for me and in the

2002
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:29,500
hand was a small silver ball and the

2003
01:29:34,939 --> 01:29:32,530
silver ball suddenly shot over to him

2004
01:29:38,850 --> 01:29:34,949
and was just inches from his face and

2005
01:29:40,919 --> 01:29:38,860
then the next thing he knew he he was

2006
01:29:43,229 --> 01:29:40,929
waking back up laying on the ground

2007
01:29:45,500 --> 01:29:43,239
let's continue with this in our next

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segment do you want to mention here that

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we got Brent as a result of the fine the

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recommendation from our good friend Tim

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Beck Lee my good buddy who tells me that

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on the edge of free

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Dreamweavers masters of time and space

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by brent has been published by our

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friend mr. UFO Tim Beckley he says it's

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fascinatingly provocative this way says

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home movies of stella lansing can be

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searched for on Tim's YouTube channel

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mr. ufos secret files it's got over a

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hundred seventy audio and video

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that's from tim Beckley more with brent

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we're back with Brent rains and cogs

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McKay and gene Steinberg Brent I did

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mention this book that Tim had published

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for you a few years back can you tell me

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more about it

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yes published in 2009 and it includes a

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lot of the interviews that I did with a

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lot of people in the field for alternate

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perceptions it's basically a book of

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interviews we talk about everything from

2141
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:43,580
shamanic type events to Bigfoot and UFO

2142
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:48,080
close encounter in a T cases and also

2143
01:35:55,060 --> 01:35:51,530
quantum physics a lot of good stuff in

2144
01:35:57,820 --> 01:35:55,070
there it's a lot of high strangeness you

2145
01:36:00,820 --> 01:35:57,830
know like we've been talking about but

2146
01:36:03,790 --> 01:36:00,830
can we look here for a real unified

2147
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:03,800
field theory of the UFO phenomenon or

2148
01:36:09,970 --> 01:36:07,250
are these mostly separate events right

2149
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:09,980
this is trying to find to connect the

2150
01:36:15,130 --> 01:36:11,810
dots trying to find meaningful patterns

2151
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:15,140
and as I was saying this gentleman up in

2152
01:36:22,530 --> 01:36:17,810
Spring Hill Tennessee was telling about

2153
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:22,540
this experience in New York and prior to

2154
01:36:32,230 --> 01:36:26,930
interviewing him a few months earlier I

2155
01:36:35,950 --> 01:36:32,240
had interviewed a gentleman who Tim

2156
01:36:38,650 --> 01:36:35,960
Beckley knows quite well who was outside

2157
01:36:42,340 --> 01:36:38,660
he was a country music singer a stunt

2158
01:36:44,770 --> 01:36:42,350
man and back around 1976 outside Las

2159
01:36:47,620 --> 01:36:44,780
Vegas he claimed that he'd encountered a

2160
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:47,630
spaceship and a humanoid being

2161
01:36:52,150 --> 01:36:49,850
approached him in the desert he was his

2162
01:36:54,430 --> 01:36:52,160
car had stopped working he had the hood

2163
01:36:55,780 --> 01:36:54,440
up and this being approached him and he

2164
01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:55,790
initially thought that what he was

2165
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:58,400
seeing was a was like a blimp of some

2166
01:37:03,460 --> 01:37:01,040
kind wasn't thinking UFOs and then

2167
01:37:04,180 --> 01:37:03,470
suddenly I think there was like a flash

2168
01:37:05,740 --> 01:37:04,190
on the ground

2169
01:37:09,010 --> 01:37:05,750
there was two beings and one of them

2170
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:09,020
approached him and he demonstrated how

2171
01:37:15,370 --> 01:37:12,050
the being pulled out reached out with

2172
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:15,380
his left hand and there was a ball in

2173
01:37:21,610 --> 01:37:18,250
his hands and it levitated up from his

2174
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:21,620
the palm of his hand and and it was his

2175
01:37:26,140 --> 01:37:23,690
left hand I said it was left hand they

2176
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:26,150
said yes because I've been noticing kind

2177
01:37:30,130 --> 01:37:27,770
of like hemispheric shifts with

2178
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:30,140
different experiences psychic mediums

2179
01:37:35,290 --> 01:37:32,210
this is this is known going way back

2180
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:35,300
nanda for ters encyclopedia of psychic

2181
01:37:41,050 --> 01:37:38,239
science describes this type of thing and

2182
01:37:45,370 --> 01:37:41,060
so here was another example that I heard

2183
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:45,380
in the same year of being with the spear

2184
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:48,890
and it rose up from his hand levitated

2185
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:52,850
it grew in size from like whatever it

2186
01:37:58,030 --> 01:37:55,850
was a baseball to like basketball or

2187
01:38:00,850 --> 01:37:58,040
something and and then there were these

2188
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:00,860
like explosions of around the top of it

2189
01:38:05,950 --> 01:38:03,410
and he was explaining how if we didn't

2190
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:05,960
change our way of doing things that this

2191
01:38:11,020 --> 01:38:09,170
would be like nuclear explosions across

2192
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:11,030
the earth and this was going to upset

2193
01:38:15,970 --> 01:38:13,280
the balance of the universe stories

2194
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:15,980
we've heard from similar other contacts

2195
01:38:20,260 --> 01:38:18,770
but the left handed aspect interested me

2196
01:38:22,750 --> 01:38:20,270
and I started pouring through the flying

2197
01:38:24,550 --> 01:38:22,760
saucer review from England and other

2198
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:24,560
sources and in the flying saucer review

2199
01:38:29,140 --> 01:38:26,090
which collects all these reports from

2200
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:29,150
international sources had two cases in

2201
01:38:35,140 --> 01:38:32,090
Argentina and another one in Finland

2202
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:35,150
where people reported encountering

2203
01:38:42,459 --> 01:38:39,050
beings who produced strange spherical

2204
01:38:44,500 --> 01:38:42,469
objects in their left hand and they

2205
01:38:46,900 --> 01:38:44,510
might levitate they might project beams

2206
01:38:48,610 --> 01:38:46,910
of light or something and they also

2207
01:38:52,060 --> 01:38:48,620
seemed to maybe be part of the

2208
01:38:54,580 --> 01:38:52,070
communications process or some in some

2209
01:38:57,310 --> 01:38:54,590
role for a while I was I was working

2210
01:38:59,890 --> 01:38:57,320
with with free who's been collecting a

2211
01:39:02,080 --> 01:38:59,900
lot of contact material and Rey

2212
01:39:04,350 --> 01:39:02,090
Hernandez helped me to produce a

2213
01:39:06,689 --> 01:39:04,360
questionnaire of people having

2214
01:39:10,030 --> 01:39:06,699
experiences with different instruments

2215
01:39:12,209 --> 01:39:10,040
and what hand the being was using

2216
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:12,219
whether they were left or right-handed

2217
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:16,480
usually it was surgical instruments or

2218
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:18,880
some kind of a cylinder or a wand or

2219
01:39:23,940 --> 01:39:20,890
maybe something like a cell phone it was

2220
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:23,950
usually right-handed but it seems that

2221
01:39:29,610 --> 01:39:27,520
some reason the spherical objects were

2222
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:29,620
left-handed and I saw her on ancient

2223
01:39:34,140 --> 01:39:32,080
aliens recently William Henry

2224
01:39:35,940 --> 01:39:34,150
Tennessee's investigative mythologist

2225
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:35,950
who works with Whitley Strieber

2226
01:39:43,110 --> 01:39:40,480
he was showing a da Vinci picture of a

2227
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:43,120
Christ figure with a spear in the left

2228
01:39:49,020 --> 01:39:45,010
hand and then right on right after that

2229
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:49,030
showed one of a Buddha with a spear in

2230
01:39:52,830 --> 01:39:50,800
the left hand so I've written to him

2231
01:39:56,250 --> 01:39:52,840
open he'll answer you know cuz he's more

2232
01:39:59,090 --> 01:39:56,260
involved in the historical research of

2233
01:40:04,229 --> 01:39:59,100
those areas and see if there are other

2234
01:40:06,810 --> 01:40:04,239
illustrations portrayals of this this

2235
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:06,820
spherical object and how it's being

2236
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:08,890
handled I was just talking with the

2237
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:10,480
psychologist last night on the phone

2238
01:40:16,110 --> 01:40:12,880
about this issue and he said well you

2239
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:16,120
know if it's something that we use say

2240
01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:17,650
like a cell phone you know where it's

2241
01:40:22,500 --> 01:40:20,080
given us information a digital display

2242
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:22,510
like or some kind of display we would

2243
01:40:29,660 --> 01:40:24,850
hold it say in our left hand and use our

2244
01:40:32,820 --> 01:40:29,670
right hand to perhaps manipulate it so

2245
01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:32,830
whatever it is it seems significant a

2246
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:36,450
pattern that's you know if I hadn't been

2247
01:40:42,420 --> 01:40:40,480
really already interested in in and the

2248
01:40:46,010 --> 01:40:42,430
fact that I've had a number of people

2249
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:46,020
report voices only to the left side and

2250
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:48,400
kind of like a shift or going left

2251
01:40:52,890 --> 01:40:50,050
handed from right handed during an in

2252
01:40:56,130 --> 01:40:52,900
trance MIT with a perhaps UFO type

2253
01:40:57,660 --> 01:40:56,140
situation I might well have just not

2254
01:40:59,760 --> 01:40:57,670
even noticed that these people were

2255
01:41:03,479 --> 01:40:59,770
talking about you know that the left

2256
01:41:06,150 --> 01:41:03,489
hand was involved so you know this these

2257
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:06,160
little patterns that you try to watch

2258
01:41:09,300 --> 01:41:07,840
for and see if there's any kind of

2259
01:41:12,660 --> 01:41:09,310
meaningful connection and I'm still

2260
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:12,670
still still looking at that but that's

2261
01:41:19,140 --> 01:41:16,480
gonna be in my book on John keel because

2262
01:41:23,190 --> 01:41:19,150
he looked into all those sorts of things

2263
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:23,200
- well what was the report of the the

2264
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:24,880
form of these beings because you know

2265
01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:26,800
there's we get there so many

2266
01:41:32,850 --> 01:41:29,710
descriptions and I I'm always interested

2267
01:41:34,979 --> 01:41:32,860
small differences like do they have you

2268
01:41:37,410 --> 01:41:34,989
know X amount of fingers or what kind of

2269
01:41:39,930 --> 01:41:37,420
hands they have how long are the joints

2270
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:39,940
what where are the eyes the nose and

2271
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:42,489
stuff there are so many even just the

2272
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,530
fact that some actually are reported to

2273
01:41:49,770 --> 01:41:46,960
yes walk on the ground where others are

2274
01:41:51,870 --> 01:41:49,780
kind of floated along what was the

2275
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:51,880
description there and there's some of

2276
01:41:55,610 --> 01:41:53,410
these cases you were talking about the

2277
01:41:59,070 --> 01:41:55,620
handedness as well she's interesting

2278
01:42:03,420 --> 01:41:59,080
well generally they were they were like

2279
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:03,430
in a like a silver suit in one case the

2280
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:05,890
face was not he could see everything but

2281
01:42:11,970 --> 01:42:08,530
the face and that kind of puzzled him

2282
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:11,980
and that was the guy that had the cherry

2283
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:14,560
hill I mean a Cherry Creek New York

2284
01:42:20,370 --> 01:42:17,290
experience and he also had experiences

2285
01:42:23,070 --> 01:42:20,380
with ghosts that uh and when he noticed

2286
01:42:24,660 --> 01:42:23,080
whenever there was a ghost around a

2287
01:42:28,740 --> 01:42:24,670
presence trying to communicate with him

2288
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:28,750
from the spirit world that is his left

2289
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:32,410
hand would start to jerk and he was

2290
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:34,690
right-handed and and that would happen

2291
01:42:40,170 --> 01:42:37,450
during these ghost experiences or spirit

2292
01:42:42,150 --> 01:42:40,180
experiences and and again it's the

2293
01:42:45,300 --> 01:42:42,160
hemispheric thing and he would also have

2294
01:42:46,590 --> 01:42:45,310
some difficulty breathing and like

2295
01:42:48,450 --> 01:42:46,600
anyway getting back to the how they were

2296
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:48,460
dressed a lot of times they seemed to be

2297
01:42:53,580 --> 01:42:50,530
in some kind of a uniform like a silver

2298
01:42:59,729 --> 01:42:53,590
suit they appear to be human like

2299
01:43:02,790 --> 01:42:59,739
humanoid and they were all you know

2300
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:02,800
there was one that was in Finland that

2301
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:04,330
was a female that appeared to this

2302
01:43:12,959 --> 01:43:08,530
witness twice both times with this round

2303
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:12,969
object in her left hand and the others

2304
01:43:19,620 --> 01:43:15,130
kind of got the impression that they

2305
01:43:24,780 --> 01:43:19,630
were male particularly in the the

2306
01:43:28,410 --> 01:43:24,790
Argentine and the Las Vegas cases these

2307
01:43:32,970 --> 01:43:28,420
are these kind the whole idea of spheres

2308
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:32,980
and orbs that seem to new am as you know

2309
01:43:37,110 --> 01:43:35,290
not always UFO sightings but there's

2310
01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:37,120
there's often sightings where there's

2311
01:43:41,670 --> 01:43:39,520
these kind of floating orbs and people

2312
01:43:43,359 --> 01:43:41,680
just get the overwhelming feeling that

2313
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:43,369
there's an intelligence there

2314
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:46,610
and it knows and you know I sometimes

2315
01:43:52,899 --> 01:43:50,239
wonder is it the the orb thing is this

2316
01:43:56,649 --> 01:43:52,909
the master and it is it is projecting

2317
01:43:58,780 --> 01:43:56,659
the beings and stuff because it brings a

2318
01:44:01,959 --> 01:43:58,790
lot of kind of scientific problems to

2319
01:44:04,330 --> 01:44:01,969
have human-like beings because it's

2320
01:44:07,149 --> 01:44:04,340
people think well you know would would

2321
01:44:10,180 --> 01:44:07,159
aliens on a distant planet would they

2322
01:44:12,490 --> 01:44:10,190
evolved so closely along the lines of us

2323
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:12,500
to end up with two arms two legs you

2324
01:44:17,050 --> 01:44:14,449
know two feet two eyes at the front of a

2325
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:17,060
head and stuff and you know yes you

2326
01:44:22,570 --> 01:44:19,730
could say that their evolution works

2327
01:44:24,370 --> 01:44:22,580
along similar lines so the things in the

2328
01:44:26,919 --> 01:44:24,380
water are going to end up with you know

2329
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:26,929
fins and whatever things to steer and

2330
01:44:34,410 --> 01:44:31,840
and propel themselves but the

2331
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:34,420
similarities and the differences of

2332
01:44:40,180 --> 01:44:38,000
these humanoid beings you that are

2333
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:40,190
that's a big clue for me as well that

2334
01:44:44,709 --> 01:44:41,840
there's something else going on because

2335
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:44,719
it's it's difficult for me to believe

2336
01:44:48,490 --> 01:44:46,250
that you know there are so many

2337
01:44:51,250 --> 01:44:48,500
different aliens reported but you know

2338
01:44:53,620 --> 01:44:51,260
they're all kind of similar you get tall

2339
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:53,630
gray short ones you get tall White's you

2340
01:44:59,050 --> 01:44:56,000
get you know whatever insectoid things

2341
01:45:00,580 --> 01:44:59,060
and I do believe that people see some of

2342
01:45:03,010 --> 01:45:00,590
these things even the weirder ones

2343
01:45:05,020 --> 01:45:03,020
especially the weirder ones we're gonna

2344
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:05,030
have some more weird stuff in our next

2345
01:45:10,300 --> 01:45:07,280
segment but I do want to remind you that

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01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:02,510
here's Jane Steinberg okaythat's Cox

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01:48:08,649 --> 01:48:06,560
makai hoping to be Porky Pig so if they

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01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:08,659
ever want to redo the cartoons that's

2408
01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:10,730
all folks no I want to do that let me

2409
01:48:17,020 --> 01:48:14,719
ask you something Brent rains I see from

2410
01:48:20,910 --> 01:48:17,030
your bio that you coming out with a new

2411
01:48:23,950 --> 01:48:20,920
book about the one the only John keel

2412
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:23,960
what is that right gonna be out and what

2413
01:48:28,030 --> 01:48:25,370
can you tell me what kind of insights

2414
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:28,040
are you gonna offer it's gonna be a few

2415
01:48:36,510 --> 01:48:30,080
months away since I just submitted it

2416
01:48:39,010 --> 01:48:36,520
and it's going to be about you know his

2417
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:39,020
not not only kind of a biography about

2418
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:41,570
John keel but also how he influenced me

2419
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:45,440
and others and the kind of stories that

2420
01:48:51,970 --> 01:48:49,010
I investigated cases people I've talked

2421
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:51,980
with witnesses researchers and and and

2422
01:48:58,780 --> 01:48:55,250
other people for example I also have

2423
01:49:00,850 --> 01:48:58,790
some interviews in this I communicated

2424
01:49:04,470 --> 01:49:00,860
with some researchers in Sweden who

2425
01:49:08,830 --> 01:49:04,480
killed visited of these people back in

2426
01:49:11,490 --> 01:49:08,840
1976 as well in 1969 there was a Swedish

2427
01:49:13,870 --> 01:49:11,500
researcher a key raisin who went to

2428
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:13,880
Point Pleasant West Virginia and met

2429
01:49:19,149 --> 01:49:16,370
Mary hyre and Linda Scarberry and many

2430
01:49:22,750 --> 01:49:19,159
of the the witnesses that we've read

2431
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:22,760
about and spent several weeks down there

2432
01:49:28,810 --> 01:49:25,730
and initially he was thinking about

2433
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:28,820
getting some kind of a net and trying to

2434
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:31,610
catch this creature if it was real and

2435
01:49:36,899 --> 01:49:33,770
then he realized that when he got down

2436
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:36,909
there that there was this was not a real

2437
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:39,530
logical approach that he realized a lot

2438
01:49:48,580 --> 01:49:43,330
of this was was psychic paranormal and

2439
01:49:51,189 --> 01:49:48,590
he he went back again in 1970 I believe

2440
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:51,199
of the year following that and did

2441
01:50:00,439 --> 01:49:58,400
it helped keel with some material for

2442
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:00,449
operation charging us back you know

2443
01:50:04,970 --> 01:50:02,370
earlier when he was working on that book

2444
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:04,980
dealing with the mystery flyers from the

2445
01:50:10,189 --> 01:50:08,130
1930s and maybe mystery submarines -

2446
01:50:13,570 --> 01:50:10,199
over and over in their country in Sweden

2447
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:13,580
and I also was in touch with hacking

2448
01:50:21,350 --> 01:50:17,130
Blanca vez who is a Swedish researcher

2449
01:50:23,150 --> 01:50:21,360
and and involved with a lot of archive a

2450
01:50:25,939 --> 01:50:23,160
library that they have over there in

2451
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:25,949
school that's collecting yes my biggest

2452
01:50:30,740 --> 01:50:28,410
archive isn't is the biggest archives

2453
01:50:33,770 --> 01:50:30,750
but that's what I understand you know

2454
01:50:36,740 --> 01:50:33,780
and they're gathering everything that

2455
01:50:40,250 --> 01:50:36,750
they can they've asked me for some of my

2456
01:50:42,169 --> 01:50:40,260
earlier issues of my magazine before it

2457
01:50:44,540 --> 01:50:42,179
became professionally published this I

2458
01:50:47,180 --> 01:50:44,550
think may be close to 30 that they don't

2459
01:50:50,090 --> 01:50:47,190
have and the real thoroughly parry

2460
01:50:52,100 --> 01:50:50,100
apology for me that's an owner that's an

2461
01:50:53,950 --> 01:50:52,110
honor to have your stuff requested for

2462
01:50:58,280 --> 01:50:53,960
that you know it'll be in good company

2463
01:51:01,459 --> 01:50:58,290
mm-hmm anyway hakkim has provided me

2464
01:51:03,979 --> 01:51:01,469
with some photos of Kiel when he was in

2465
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:03,989
Sweden and some of the correspondences

2466
01:51:09,470 --> 01:51:07,250
they had and such and so I'm getting

2467
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:09,480
background information I've interviewed

2468
01:51:18,169 --> 01:51:14,610
Rosemarie guiley who was a member of his

2469
01:51:20,810 --> 01:51:18,179
New York 14 Society when back in the

2470
01:51:23,930 --> 01:51:20,820
early 80s and used to meet John and in

2471
01:51:25,910 --> 01:51:23,940
New York for dinner and they had talked

2472
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:25,920
and he had a huge influence on her and

2473
01:51:31,430 --> 01:51:28,290
and and many other people I've got an

2474
01:51:34,220 --> 01:51:31,440
interview with Paul II know Rhode Island

2475
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:34,230
who's who's had a lot of experience was

2476
01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:37,760
investigating paranormal years ago and

2477
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:40,530
believes that a lot of this is you know

2478
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:42,330
the and he believes this Kiel believe it

2479
01:51:46,910 --> 01:51:44,610
there was a lot of interconnection with

2480
01:51:49,070 --> 01:51:46,920
these different relationships and with

2481
01:51:52,220 --> 01:51:49,080
the UFO and paranormal and that he

2482
01:51:54,860 --> 01:51:52,230
pretty much subscribes to the idea of

2483
01:51:58,729 --> 01:51:54,870
you know that we were dealing with with

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calm that's kind of interesting here

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01:52:23,140 --> 01:52:20,360
that rosemary ellen guiley was also part

2494
01:52:24,460 --> 01:52:23,150
of that new york 14 society i went to

2495
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:24,470
some of the meetings and probably met

2496
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:27,770
those people but most probably don't

2497
01:52:34,150 --> 01:52:30,650
remember me or prefer not to remember me

2498
01:52:38,020 --> 01:52:34,160
cogs i think it was something to do with

2499
01:52:40,900 --> 01:52:38,030
their yes Paulino and he last time III

2500
01:52:42,730 --> 01:52:40,910
heard him you know he does a I think he

2501
01:52:45,190 --> 01:52:42,740
does a podcast with his son but I've

2502
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:45,200
heard them on other shoes and they have

2503
01:52:51,010 --> 01:52:48,800
their they've definitely according to

2504
01:52:53,950 --> 01:52:51,020
them identified one of these kind of

2505
01:52:56,260 --> 01:52:53,960
potential window area somewhere in the

2506
01:52:59,440 --> 01:52:56,270
northeast of us sure where I don't think

2507
01:53:03,370 --> 01:52:59,450
that I am being public with it it's in

2508
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:03,380
Connecticut I know that I say dastan

2509
01:53:11,050 --> 01:53:06,890
gordon region you know that his his kind

2510
01:53:13,300 --> 01:53:11,060
of a stomping grounds and I believe you

2511
01:53:15,940 --> 01:53:13,310
know his some couple of weird things

2512
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:15,950
happen to him on his son high very high

2513
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:19,040
strange things and something that very

2514
01:53:24,250 --> 01:53:21,050
much goes along with their Chris O'Brien

2515
01:53:26,290 --> 01:53:24,260
Chris O'Brien has six or seven some

2516
01:53:29,230 --> 01:53:26,300
things that I did that are always

2517
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:29,240
present when you have a window area hot

2518
01:53:38,110 --> 01:53:33,730
spot and maybe there's been long long

2519
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:38,120
long standing religious or cultural kind

2520
01:53:42,820 --> 01:53:41,090
of meetings or something attached to a

2521
01:53:46,030 --> 01:53:42,830
place of worship or something there's

2522
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:46,040
always a military present presence

2523
01:53:51,100 --> 01:53:48,530
around and there was a number of other

2524
01:53:53,620 --> 01:53:51,110
factors that you know you take the boxes

2525
01:53:57,400 --> 01:53:53,630
miss it just always happens and I

2526
01:54:00,010 --> 01:53:57,410
believe what their Paulino is and

2527
01:54:01,570 --> 01:54:00,020
benneferre identified his it's possibly

2528
01:54:04,030 --> 01:54:01,580
one of them because they were very

2529
01:54:05,620 --> 01:54:04,040
interested and suddenly there was that

2530
01:54:09,940 --> 01:54:05,630
they were researching and then suddenly

2531
01:54:11,890 --> 01:54:09,950
there was this military presence in a

2532
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:11,900
non military area it's not a training

2533
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:14,210
area there's no kind of camps near by or

2534
01:54:16,510 --> 01:54:15,890
forts you'd probably call them in

2535
01:54:20,110 --> 01:54:16,520
America

2536
01:54:21,010 --> 01:54:20,120
and um suddenly they turned up and you

2537
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:21,020
know they I don't

2538
01:54:25,170 --> 01:54:22,850
they bought the land or something but

2539
01:54:28,150 --> 01:54:25,180
they stopped people from going where

2540
01:54:31,690 --> 01:54:28,160
their stuff was on just classic kind of

2541
01:54:33,670 --> 01:54:31,700
case of you know the military turning up

2542
01:54:36,580 --> 01:54:33,680
and saying no you can't come down here

2543
01:54:39,190 --> 01:54:36,590
dah dah dah for whatever reason and so

2544
01:54:41,410 --> 01:54:39,200
it does seem that up there Connecticut

2545
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:41,420
and the northeast of the state scissors

2546
01:54:46,500 --> 01:54:43,490
there's certainly a few places with some

2547
01:54:51,460 --> 01:54:46,510
interesting stuff going on and obviously

2548
01:54:54,490 --> 01:54:51,470
the location of a vet sorry I forget his

2549
01:54:57,220 --> 01:54:54,500
name but Ted who used to work with him J

2550
01:55:00,820 --> 01:54:57,230
Allen Hynek Ted was the second bill it's

2551
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:00,830
Ted Phillips that's it yeah that area he

2552
01:55:06,910 --> 01:55:04,880
was researching Marly wounds that was

2553
01:55:09,310 --> 01:55:06,920
that was kept secret for ages but

2554
01:55:11,500 --> 01:55:09,320
somebody let the cat out of the bargain

2555
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:11,510
there's a lot going on there so parent

2556
01:55:17,830 --> 01:55:14,330
that our current window Ilias they seem

2557
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:17,840
to be active right now and if I if I

2558
01:55:22,240 --> 01:55:20,090
were to it's a long time since I've been

2559
01:55:24,010 --> 01:55:22,250
at the states but I am if I were to come

2560
01:55:26,710 --> 01:55:24,020
back I think I'd be heading to one of

2561
01:55:30,130 --> 01:55:26,720
these places to see if I could catch any

2562
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:30,140
sightings and Fred have you

2563
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:32,570
I didn't UFO sightings yourself or any

2564
01:55:41,260 --> 01:55:37,210
ghost sightings of paranormal events

2565
01:55:45,070 --> 01:55:41,270
yeah I'm I didn't at first in the

2566
01:55:50,290 --> 01:55:45,080
beginning and and I used to complain why

2567
01:55:53,020 --> 01:55:50,300
haven't I had any but I've had some

2568
01:55:55,150 --> 01:55:53,030
strange experiences one time seeing a

2569
01:55:56,680 --> 01:55:55,160
Indian blanket and I've been involved in

2570
01:55:58,810 --> 01:55:56,690
sweat lodges and that used to have a

2571
01:56:04,270 --> 01:55:58,820
sweat lodge behind the house you know

2572
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:04,280
we're doing meditation work and one day

2573
01:56:12,730 --> 01:56:09,530
there's a Indian blanket draped over the

2574
01:56:14,770 --> 01:56:12,740
top of a dresser in my bedroom and and

2575
01:56:17,950 --> 01:56:14,780
I'm thinking wow that's I don't remember

2576
01:56:19,870 --> 01:56:17,960
that being there and my what my wife

2577
01:56:21,910 --> 01:56:19,880
must have put it there but I I wondered

2578
01:56:23,890 --> 01:56:21,920
what it was it was like there was a big

2579
01:56:26,500 --> 01:56:23,900
lump in it you know and I I remember

2580
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:26,510
thinking oh I guess I should check it

2581
01:56:29,650 --> 01:56:28,130
out but dang what if one of those little

2582
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:29,660
Cherokee little people was under there

2583
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:33,290
the trickster you know I said heck with

2584
01:56:35,860 --> 01:56:33,920
it I'm just

2585
01:56:38,890 --> 01:56:35,870
roll over turn the light out go to sleep

2586
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:38,900
the next morning sun's coming in the

2587
01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:41,330
room the room is all lit up and I look

2588
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:43,250
over at the dresser not even thinking

2589
01:56:49,330 --> 01:56:45,679
about it and then it dawns on me where

2590
01:56:56,140 --> 01:56:49,340
that blanket go and then about four

2591
01:56:58,169 --> 01:56:56,150
weeks later roughly there was I woke up

2592
01:57:00,669 --> 01:56:58,179
in the night I turned on the light and

2593
01:57:05,470 --> 01:57:00,679
there was the Indian blanket again a

2594
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:05,480
Native American Indian blanket and I sat

2595
01:57:10,959 --> 01:57:09,410
up in bed and I moved around I took my

2596
01:57:13,060 --> 01:57:10,969
arms stretched them out straight you

2597
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:13,070
know and it kind of went this way in

2598
01:57:19,060 --> 01:57:16,370
that way I pinched myself I made sure

2599
01:57:20,140 --> 01:57:19,070
nobody could say that hey Brent you

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weren't wide-awake

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you know well we're gonna have to do

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please continue that discussion it's

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fascinating okay well anyway I was still

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you know looking at this blanket and

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everything about it seemed very real but

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I you know I was thinking to myself okay

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I still don't want to go over to it this

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just it's just kind of feels kind of

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strange to know and maybe it's a good

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thing I did because as I was looking at

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it it started to blur like you're

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looking at something through a

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binoculars and you changed the focus the

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only thing was it was the only thing

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that was blurring everything else was

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normal focus and this blanket just

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blurred its way out of existence it was

2730
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within moments gone where did it do so

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02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:00,410
did you own a blanket like this weird

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02:03:06,430 --> 02:03:02,810
where did you first get it you know it

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02:03:09,010 --> 02:03:06,440
was if it was like the original real you

2734
02:03:11,500 --> 02:03:09,020
know I mean I'm not like some copy but

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02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:11,510
where did you get it well I I don't

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02:03:17,230 --> 02:03:14,210
think it was mine it was just there I

2737
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:17,240
mean I knew my wife had some Indian type

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02:03:20,620 --> 02:03:18,530
blankets because she's part Native

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02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:20,630
American that was stored in a closet but

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I didn't remember any being in my room

2741
02:03:27,580 --> 02:03:25,790
and then again there it was on the

2742
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dresser which I didn't remember it being

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02:03:32,140 --> 02:03:30,920
there any of those blankets and all I

2744
02:03:33,910 --> 02:03:32,150
could tell you is it was the Native

2745
02:03:39,280 --> 02:03:33,920
American type blanket you know those

2746
02:03:41,530 --> 02:03:39,290
kind of images on it and and then it

2747
02:03:44,650 --> 02:03:41,540
just faded it blurred out of sight and

2748
02:03:47,800 --> 02:03:44,660
then wasn't there and I was certain I

2749
02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:47,810
was I was wide awake then as another

2750
02:03:54,370 --> 02:03:51,970
issue that I was doing some paranormal

2751
02:03:59,169 --> 02:03:54,380
investigations with some people to of

2752
02:04:01,000 --> 02:03:59,179
who were actually UFO abductees

2753
02:04:07,449 --> 02:04:01,010
and one of them had been doing EVP work

2754
02:04:08,219 --> 02:04:07,459
using a ghost box which this was a Radio

2755
02:04:13,929 --> 02:04:08,229
Shack

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02:04:15,910 --> 02:04:13,939
digital radio am/fm and it was modified

2757
02:04:18,640 --> 02:04:15,920
so that was on continuous scan and the

2758
02:04:22,540 --> 02:04:18,650
theory is that the the spirit voices can

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ride over the white noise in between

2760
02:04:26,140 --> 02:04:24,050
stations yeah and yeah and you know

2761
02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:26,150
you've got a really interesting one with

2762
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because people can say oh well the odd

2763
02:04:32,919 --> 02:04:30,679
word might come through as it does it's

2764
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skipping channels but if you get a full

2765
02:04:39,759 --> 02:04:37,039
sentence over multiple sweeps then the

2766
02:04:44,290 --> 02:04:39,769
chances of that being just you know

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02:04:48,399 --> 02:04:44,300
random is is just you know really really

2768
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miniscule so there were I've seen people

2769
02:04:54,640 --> 02:04:51,050
using those gospels boxes and sometimes

2770
02:04:57,160 --> 02:04:54,650
some really relevant timely stuff has

2771
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come out and that that couldn't be by

2772
02:05:01,330 --> 02:04:59,659
chance so i do believe that they can't

2773
02:05:03,759 --> 02:05:01,340
be manipulated by spirits or whatever

2774
02:05:05,529 --> 02:05:03,769
and i do think they were sorry to

2775
02:05:06,729 --> 02:05:05,539
interrupt brandon but i'm really

2776
02:05:09,339 --> 02:05:06,739
interested in things like this

2777
02:05:11,979 --> 02:05:09,349
technology and you know ghost boxes and

2778
02:05:14,890 --> 02:05:11,989
stuff well we have we have done it both

2779
02:05:17,500 --> 02:05:14,900
with us you know the digital recorder

2780
02:05:21,310 --> 02:05:17,510
holding it and then and also recording

2781
02:05:26,679 --> 02:05:21,320
sessions with the the ghost box and the

2782
02:05:30,149 --> 02:05:26,689
way it evolved was this was in 2010 and

2783
02:05:36,009 --> 02:05:30,159
it was you know keel had passed away in

2784
02:05:38,679 --> 02:05:36,019
2009 july third and so i it was in march

2785
02:05:41,410 --> 02:05:38,689
we were at a haunted location 2010 an

2786
02:05:43,779 --> 02:05:41,420
old 100 year old church and we were in

2787
02:05:46,120 --> 02:05:43,789
the basement and people heard footsteps

2788
02:05:48,640 --> 02:05:46,130
and so we're gonna see if we could get

2789
02:05:53,229 --> 02:05:48,650
anything and honestly I didn't think we

2790
02:05:55,379 --> 02:05:53,239
we did that I could tell but a couple

2791
02:05:59,649 --> 02:05:55,389
months later we were at a site

2792
02:06:03,069 --> 02:05:59,659
investigating and John keel came through

2793
02:06:05,770 --> 02:06:03,079
twice and we asked about if there was

2794
02:06:10,120 --> 02:06:05,780
Bigfoot in the area and this voice said

2795
02:06:12,399 --> 02:06:10,130
monsters and you know I showed the this

2796
02:06:13,060 --> 02:06:12,409
investigator that came through his ghost

2797
02:06:16,330 --> 02:06:13,070
box I said

2798
02:06:18,419 --> 02:06:16,340
now John keel called Bigfoot monster you

2799
02:06:22,510 --> 02:06:18,429
know it was real popular term with him

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02:06:23,859 --> 02:06:22,520
you know he he his first letter to me I

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02:06:25,479 --> 02:06:23,869
showed him his first letter that qu'il

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02:06:28,709 --> 02:06:25,489
wrote he said he was working on strange

2803
02:06:31,149 --> 02:06:28,719
creatures from time and space a book and

2804
02:06:35,189 --> 02:06:31,159
encyclopedia on monsters he called it

2805
02:06:38,500 --> 02:06:35,199
and in that book that later came out he

2806
02:06:42,609 --> 02:06:38,510
he the first chapter II work mentions

2807
02:06:46,300 --> 02:06:42,619
the word monsters you know yeah in a lot

2808
02:06:48,220 --> 02:06:46,310
of people's area worldwide did you

2809
02:06:51,490 --> 02:06:48,230
identify himself when he came through

2810
02:06:55,209 --> 02:06:51,500
yes yes K Oxley that day I am John keel

2811
02:06:57,910 --> 02:06:55,219
he actually said John keel I heard it

2812
02:07:00,419 --> 02:06:57,920
twice and we recorded it and and then

2813
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:00,429
later I went back over my audio from

2814
02:07:04,260 --> 02:07:02,570
March when I didn't think I heard

2815
02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:04,270
anything and there was a point where

2816
02:07:12,939 --> 02:07:09,199
Bret Oldham asked Jessie who was my

2817
02:07:18,569 --> 02:07:12,949
wife's deceased brother to come through

2818
02:07:25,450 --> 02:07:18,579
and what happened was is a voice said

2819
02:07:28,270 --> 02:07:25,460
what sounded like keel Jonny yeah and

2820
02:07:29,589 --> 02:07:28,280
then it was like two voices arguing and

2821
02:07:31,330 --> 02:07:29,599
I let my wife hear it with headphones

2822
02:07:33,939 --> 02:07:31,340
because it wasn't real loud but it says

2823
02:07:35,979 --> 02:07:33,949
that sounds like your brother's voice

2824
02:07:38,740 --> 02:07:35,989
arguing with somebody and I think he's

2825
02:07:41,620 --> 02:07:38,750
using a really bad language and she

2826
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:41,630
agreed but what happened later it was

2827
02:07:48,790 --> 02:07:44,570
July 3rd I was having kind of on the

2828
02:07:51,189 --> 02:07:48,800
fence then July 3rd of 2010 we were

2829
02:07:53,500 --> 02:07:51,199
doing a session at the home of Sandy

2830
02:07:55,510 --> 02:07:53,510
Nichols near Nashville and Thompson

2831
02:07:57,100 --> 02:07:55,520
station I asked him I said you know this

2832
02:07:59,319 --> 02:07:57,110
is the one year anniversary of Kiehl's

2833
02:08:02,439 --> 02:07:59,329
passing can we try to reach him you know

2834
02:08:05,319 --> 02:08:02,449
sure yeah so we're recording this I

2835
02:08:08,680 --> 02:08:05,329
believe we had three recorders going and

2836
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:08,690
we had a stereo speakers hooked up to

2837
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:15,650
the one of the radios and Bret asked can

2838
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:17,570
you get John keel because we work

2839
02:08:24,310 --> 02:08:20,810
through these spirit guides to say his

2840
02:08:25,330 --> 02:08:24,320
name if he's there and within seconds 2

2841
02:08:26,710 --> 02:08:25,340
or 3 seconds

2842
02:08:30,040 --> 02:08:26,720
male voice

2843
02:08:32,800 --> 02:08:30,050
as John keel but the Rams untimely

2844
02:08:35,620 --> 02:08:32,810
answer so yeah it does to me that's

2845
02:08:39,340 --> 02:08:35,630
pretty amazing yeah and this happened a

2846
02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:39,350
number of times and then we asked now

2847
02:08:43,690 --> 02:08:41,330
that he's on the other side what can he

2848
02:08:49,270 --> 02:08:43,700
tell us about Bigfoot and this strong

2849
02:08:52,210 --> 02:08:49,280
male voice said schmuck Bigfoot see big

2850
02:08:55,030 --> 02:08:52,220
boot schmuck sound let's mop it what

2851
02:08:57,790 --> 02:08:55,040
yeah all right and then there was like

2852
02:09:01,480 --> 02:08:57,800
two other voices that said see and then

2853
02:09:08,500 --> 02:09:01,490
another one said see and so then I asked

2854
02:09:12,820 --> 02:09:08,510
at one point about about jadoo and the

2855
02:09:16,710 --> 02:09:12,830
voice said Jed do a that's what it

2856
02:09:20,740 --> 02:09:16,720
sounded like jadoo and followed by a and

2857
02:09:24,220 --> 02:09:20,750
and we were kind of shocked and and I

2858
02:09:27,010 --> 02:09:24,230
remember Brett was saying did you just

2859
02:09:29,110 --> 02:09:27,020
say it and Sandy says yes you just said

2860
02:09:31,530 --> 02:09:29,120
the word so I thought okay got a strike

2861
02:09:34,270 --> 02:09:31,540
while the iron's hot so I asked again

2862
02:09:37,690 --> 02:09:34,280
yes what can you tell us about jadoo

2863
02:09:41,110 --> 02:09:37,700
which was you know the part of the title

2864
02:09:42,850 --> 02:09:41,120
of his first book back in 1957 Jed do

2865
02:09:44,710 --> 02:09:42,860
mysteries of the Orient where he had

2866
02:09:48,250 --> 02:09:44,720
been traveling in Egypt and India in

2867
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places and studying their ideas on

2868
02:09:54,940 --> 02:09:49,280
mysticism

2869
02:09:57,700 --> 02:09:54,950
jadoo was black magic and anyway this

2870
02:10:00,430 --> 02:09:57,710
voice sounded like the same voice male

2871
02:10:04,420 --> 02:10:00,440
voice was talking and he was fading in

2872
02:10:06,640 --> 02:10:04,430
and out but it started out with into the

2873
02:10:08,170 --> 02:10:06,650
fire into the fire and then bla bla bla

2874
02:10:11,050 --> 02:10:08,180
bumble bumble can't tell what he's

2875
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saying and then teach me outside you

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know what we'll have to go outside if we

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don't have these announcements I'll just

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toss this out more to come with Brent

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keel Memorial episode probably a few

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months after he died there was a general

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consensus here that as much as his

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viewpoints were interesting intriguing

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thought-provoking his investigative

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process could have been more rigorous in

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doing a biography of keel what's your

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perception well you know he he made some

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mistakes that's that's addressed in the

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book too one of which was the the time

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he was in the air skywatching

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and he talked about how the moon didn't

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come up when it was supposed to and and

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come to find out it he supposedly got

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that information from a local paper but

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if he had pursued it further looked into

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it further he would have known that the

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moon he thought it was supposed to rise

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at something like 129 it didn't come up

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and in fact it came up I think a little

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after three o'clock and I I provide a

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link a link on the the readers of the

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book can actually check and see that

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that the correct time it was supposed to

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have risen so he you know he made a

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mistake there he sounded like from my

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communications with him that he

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initially was kind of hesitant to even

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write the book Mothman Prophecies and

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had all of his notes and things stored

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in a big suitcase do you think maybe he

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was he saw himself more as that like a

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02:16:50,110 --> 02:16:46,490
journalist rather than aleca a UFO

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researcher well he wrote on on other

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other areas too and

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no not just strictly the UFO he was

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02:17:06,200 --> 02:17:01,440
interested in reptiles and snakes and

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02:17:09,490 --> 02:17:06,210
things and wrote wrote novels fiction

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and he he used to write screenplays and

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used to write scripts for lost in space

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they lost in space episodes of the 60s

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02:17:21,820 --> 02:17:18,719
and he worked with like Merv Griffin and

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02:17:25,270 --> 02:17:21,830
others he would be in the background of

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providing humorous comments I think

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through a head you know ear earpiece

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that they would have you know he he he

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02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:33,810
was pretty good at a lot of

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tongue-in-cheek humor and such and he

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02:17:40,370 --> 02:17:38,130
was used by you know people in the

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television industry to come up with

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ideas and you know comments and and

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write screenplays for different programs

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do you know which ones which programs

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02:18:00,860 --> 02:17:57,469
yes he did write lost in space and I

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02:18:03,620 --> 02:18:00,870
would have to unfortunately look that up

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02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:03,630
again I do mention some of these he also

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02:18:08,980 --> 02:18:06,090
was a science writer for a while editor

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02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:08,990
or science writer for funk and Wagnalls

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encyclopedia and he worked different

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02:18:21,560 --> 02:18:19,260
jobs in Washington DC for different

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branches of the government I think one

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02:18:32,180 --> 02:18:25,110
was Air Force Office of Information and

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the health health department and he he

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02:18:38,120 --> 02:18:35,520
got around and and did quite a bit he he

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02:18:40,459 --> 02:18:38,130
seemed to be always writing something I

3062
02:18:42,260 --> 02:18:40,469
remember reading that he would even go

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02:18:45,350 --> 02:18:42,270
to the bathroom with a typewriter still

3064
02:18:47,959 --> 02:18:45,360
clicking away well that certainly puts

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02:18:51,500 --> 02:18:47,969
an odor on those particular books but

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02:18:55,100 --> 02:18:51,510
more to the point what's so sad about it

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02:18:57,169 --> 02:18:55,110
is probably Mothman Prophecies in the

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end was his most successful book because

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he sold it as a movie and made some

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02:19:05,030 --> 02:19:02,550
money from that at the end of his life

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02:19:06,510 --> 02:19:05,040
he was in pretty bad financial shape so

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whatever he did it

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have staying power did it know he had a

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he had a difficult time in the end he

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kind of I think people found that it was

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02:19:23,010 --> 02:19:18,881
kind of difficult sometimes to I was

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02:19:25,050 --> 02:19:23,020
told to be around him because he would

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be kind of depressed and kind of

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negative in some of some of his comments

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I know he wrote me once that we were

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just kind of coming to the end and we

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were never going to figure it all out

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02:19:40,190 --> 02:19:37,180
and and he had come to believe pretty

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02:19:44,070 --> 02:19:40,200
much that we were dealing with deceptive

3085
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intelligences that were quite negative I

3086
02:19:49,261 --> 02:19:45,970
asked him we were talking once about

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02:19:50,970 --> 02:19:49,271
angels and Marian apparitions and I

3088
02:19:54,140 --> 02:19:50,980
asked you know you're always writing

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02:19:57,270 --> 02:19:54,150
about the demonic type stuff then the

3090
02:20:00,121 --> 02:19:57,280
deceptive trickster type elements how

3091
02:20:03,331 --> 02:20:00,131
about something positive and he said

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02:20:05,610 --> 02:20:03,341
back in the late 60s 70s he circulated

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some sort of paper he says maybe you

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didn't get it but in that document I he

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pointed out that I felt that what we

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were dealing with didn't have our best

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interests in mind I want to take a more

3098
02:20:20,581 --> 02:20:18,851
upbeat approach I realized there is the

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negative and the wrist of positive and

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there is you know there are a lot of

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deceptive elements that seem to creep

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into these things and I know that for

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example my communications apparent

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communications with John keel is

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something that he had stated that that

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sort of thing he believed was not real

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that what you were getting was actually

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a mimic or a being that was pretending

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to be some someone else and not that

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person on the other side you know it's

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02:20:56,701 --> 02:20:54,181
very interesting here that this

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demonology kind of approach some

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02:21:02,911 --> 02:20:59,591
religions consider UFOs to be demonic

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02:21:06,001 --> 02:21:02,921
and therefore evil I know that my late

3115
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uncle Lewis Kaplan it was my wife's

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uncle he was the brother of my

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02:21:13,801 --> 02:21:11,051
father-in-law he was involved in a

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02:21:16,350 --> 02:21:13,811
so-called Jews for Jesus Movement and he

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lived out in Scottsdale Arizona in his

3120
02:21:21,500 --> 02:21:17,790
final years

3121
02:21:24,110 --> 02:21:21,510
and they gave me a book on UFOs where

3122
02:21:27,110 --> 02:21:24,120
they had to state some kind of

3123
02:21:30,080 --> 02:21:27,120
incantation to get rid of the evil UFOs

3124
02:21:34,900 --> 02:21:30,090
and I was thinking of John Constantine

3125
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:34,910
the DC character who would be this

3126
02:21:39,830 --> 02:21:38,010
professional Exorcist or something so

3127
02:21:43,940 --> 02:21:39,840
did you follow much of that is that

3128
02:21:46,640 --> 02:21:43,950
something similar to what kill believe

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02:21:48,830 --> 02:21:46,650
without the religious overtones yeah

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02:21:50,450 --> 02:21:48,840
that you know he considered himself more

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02:21:53,540 --> 02:21:50,460
at times he said he was more of a

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02:21:56,060 --> 02:21:53,550
demonologist and than anything even

3133
02:22:00,680 --> 02:21:56,070
though he was a lifelong atheist and he

3134
02:22:05,060 --> 02:22:00,690
had nothing to feel really upbeat about

3135
02:22:08,960 --> 02:22:05,070
with with the phenomena which kind of

3136
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:08,970
pretty disturbing perspective really he

3137
02:22:16,550 --> 02:22:13,530
just saw tricksters everywhere and he

3138
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:16,560
said even the you know the angel type

3139
02:22:22,570 --> 02:22:18,810
experiences the Marian apparitions that

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02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:22,580
he said they always and end up with a

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sour ending this is the way I think he

3142
02:22:37,130 --> 02:22:34,460
described it and but I keep looking for

3143
02:22:38,870 --> 02:22:37,140
you know optimistically that it's it's

3144
02:22:40,520 --> 02:22:38,880
not quite the way that that keel had

3145
02:22:43,420 --> 02:22:40,530
portrayed although he he certainly

3146
02:22:47,450 --> 02:22:43,430
brought a lot of this into focus and and

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02:22:51,470 --> 02:22:47,460
and there's a lot of elements to these

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02:22:57,530 --> 02:22:51,480
stories that you know you do have to

3149
02:23:01,030 --> 02:22:57,540
wonder about and is this really on the

3150
02:23:05,900 --> 02:23:01,040
level the the stories of the the beings

3151
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:05,910
do often seem to be deceptive trickster

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02:23:13,011 --> 02:23:10,650
like and they come from all over the

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02:23:15,650 --> 02:23:13,021
universe places we've never even heard

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02:23:19,250 --> 02:23:15,660
of hundreds and hundreds of places from

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02:23:21,800 --> 02:23:19,260
you know the accounts that we get or

3156
02:23:24,470 --> 02:23:21,810
else they're all from familiar places we

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02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:24,480
hear about the set of reticular or the

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Sirius constellation but

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I do know that these things do exist I

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mean like to me I have gotten and I've

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02:23:45,360 --> 02:23:43,480
posted some of these recordings that

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we've had from in the February and March

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issue of 2017 and in alternative

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perceptions and just to show you how

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interactive it can be I had one we're

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here at my home just my wife and me join

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her recording and suddenly I got John

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keel Brent Burt here and Burt was brutal

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Swartz who was a psychiatrist who had

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correspondent with for about 37 years

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we're gonna get into that in our next

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segment we have one more segment with

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Brent Raines we have GOG schmuck I am

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podcast the gold standard of paranormal

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back at you the para cast and we're

3281
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continuing our visit with Brett rains of

3282
02:29:18,171 --> 02:29:16,351
alternative perceptions magazine you

3283
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:18,181
know next time you come on this show

3284
02:29:21,740 --> 02:29:20,160
we'll have you on in the future I'd like

3285
02:29:23,810 --> 02:29:21,750
to bring along some of the recordings

3286
02:29:26,180 --> 02:29:23,820
you've made the ones you have posted at

3287
02:29:28,160 --> 02:29:26,190
the alternate perception site and let's

3288
02:29:30,160 --> 02:29:28,170
see what a listeners think and maybe

3289
02:29:33,501 --> 02:29:30,170
what we'll do was we'll have extended

3290
02:29:36,410 --> 02:29:33,511
captures of them for the after the para

3291
02:29:37,761 --> 02:29:36,420
cast podcast or para cast bus members I

3292
02:29:41,470 --> 02:29:37,771
think that would be interesting we've

3293
02:29:45,320 --> 02:29:41,480
done that before red Michael Esposito ah

3294
02:29:47,450 --> 02:29:45,330
yes right we had that on with Chris and

3295
02:29:49,430 --> 02:29:47,460
we presented some of those things and

3296
02:29:52,070 --> 02:29:49,440
some of those just junk noise as far as

3297
02:29:53,660 --> 02:29:52,080
I'm concerned others you know you start

3298
02:29:56,570 --> 02:29:53,670
thinking it's not a Rorschach test

3299
02:29:59,570 --> 02:29:56,580
there's something more going on here

3300
02:30:01,430 --> 02:29:59,580
yeah I was very skeptical to say in the

3301
02:30:04,070 --> 02:30:01,440
beginning and if it it hadn't been so

3302
02:30:06,350 --> 02:30:04,080
specific you know some people would get

3303
02:30:08,421 --> 02:30:06,360
excited when they'd they'd hear yes or

3304
02:30:11,570 --> 02:30:08,431
no and I'd say well that's really not

3305
02:30:13,131 --> 02:30:11,580
what I want to hear but we had for

3306
02:30:15,290 --> 02:30:13,141
example an entity that seemed to come

3307
02:30:17,120 --> 02:30:15,300
through named Enoch I thought it was

3308
02:30:18,650 --> 02:30:17,130
like Enoch with a no some people thought

3309
02:30:22,700 --> 02:30:18,660
it was Enoch with an I so one day I

3310
02:30:26,421 --> 02:30:22,710
asked which is it is it I or oh and this

3311
02:30:28,820 --> 02:30:26,431
boy said Enoch with a no and at the end

3312
02:30:30,410 --> 02:30:28,830
of each session we would say we want to

3313
02:30:32,751 --> 02:30:30,420
clear the session tell us when it's

3314
02:30:35,060 --> 02:30:32,761
clear but in every times a voice would

3315
02:30:37,011 --> 02:30:35,070
say clear but this one time you know

3316
02:30:38,810 --> 02:30:37,021
when we wanted to in the session instead

3317
02:30:41,270 --> 02:30:38,820
of saying clear this one voice said this

3318
02:30:43,251 --> 02:30:41,280
cannot clear this is energy which you

3319
02:30:45,470 --> 02:30:43,261
know right after I'd asked for with him

3320
02:30:48,320 --> 02:30:45,480
to say clear there was just a lot of

3321
02:30:52,150 --> 02:30:48,330
interactive examples like that and then

3322
02:30:55,001 --> 02:30:52,160
one time there was a a contact II and

3323
02:30:59,570 --> 02:30:55,011
Australia and she and a friend of hers

3324
02:31:02,631 --> 02:30:59,580
had been doing some kind of exercises

3325
02:31:06,530 --> 02:31:02,641
Tai Chi like exercises while they were

3326
02:31:09,881 --> 02:31:06,540
doing it this voice supposedly a spirit

3327
02:31:13,430 --> 02:31:09,891
alien type boys out of the air said

3328
02:31:15,381 --> 02:31:13,440
fingers together and so this was a

3329
02:31:17,060 --> 02:31:15,391
destruction for them to you know put

3330
02:31:19,341 --> 02:31:17,070
their fingers together while they were

3331
02:31:20,060 --> 02:31:19,351
doing what they were doing brain like

3332
02:31:22,131 --> 02:31:20,070
fingers to

3333
02:31:24,440 --> 02:31:22,141
like when people are doing the seance or

3334
02:31:26,600 --> 02:31:24,450
something was you know this is like this

3335
02:31:28,700 --> 02:31:26,610
was like the Tai Chi you know they they

3336
02:31:32,001 --> 02:31:28,710
do these like kung-fu type moves but in

3337
02:31:34,671 --> 02:31:32,011
slow motion or something yeah so they

3338
02:31:37,541 --> 02:31:34,681
they along with this book publicist for

3339
02:31:40,190 --> 02:31:37,551
this lady this bodyless voice instructed

3340
02:31:42,830 --> 02:31:40,200
these two ladies one of them in

3341
02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:42,840
particular two fingers together we did a

3342
02:31:47,780 --> 02:31:45,210
session with the Ghost Box I told him to

3343
02:31:51,261 --> 02:31:47,790
synchronize our time as best we could

3344
02:31:53,360 --> 02:31:51,271
and have them send me a message and I

3345
02:31:55,220 --> 02:31:53,370
would run the ghost box for about five

3346
02:31:56,600 --> 02:31:55,230
minutes and see if we could pick up what

3347
02:31:58,310 --> 02:31:56,610
they were going to send me but I'd had

3348
02:32:00,381 --> 02:31:58,320
no idea what it was going to be and so

3349
02:32:02,631 --> 02:32:00,391
these three women communicated among

3350
02:32:05,030 --> 02:32:02,641
themselves and they wanted it to be

3351
02:32:07,761 --> 02:32:05,040
fingers together so when we played back

3352
02:32:10,850 --> 02:32:07,771
the the audio we got fingers together

3353
02:32:13,490 --> 02:32:10,860
plus it was sounds like think Ted hold

3354
02:32:15,890 --> 02:32:13,500
your fingers together another time there

3355
02:32:18,320 --> 02:32:15,900
was a woman who we were on a ghost

3356
02:32:21,020 --> 02:32:18,330
investigation and Sloss furnace

3357
02:32:23,961 --> 02:32:21,030
Birmingham Alabama supposed to be very

3358
02:32:26,390 --> 02:32:23,971
very haunted site and she wanted to you

3359
02:32:28,580 --> 02:32:26,400
know see if this ghost box thing really

3360
02:32:30,890 --> 02:32:28,590
worked you know her the leader of her

3361
02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:30,900
group was quite quite skeptical which I

3362
02:32:35,870 --> 02:32:33,210
can understand anyway so she asked the

3363
02:32:37,850 --> 02:32:35,880
box says when we'd have family reunions

3364
02:32:41,060 --> 02:32:37,860
we would always talk about a certain

3365
02:32:44,091 --> 02:32:41,070
holiday that my grandfather and his dad

3366
02:32:46,341 --> 02:32:44,101
had in common what was it and this voice

3367
02:32:48,740 --> 02:32:46,351
came through and twice expressed

3368
02:32:50,421 --> 02:32:48,750
father's day and she she picked up on it

3369
02:32:53,211 --> 02:32:50,431
right off I couldn't tell what it was

3370
02:32:55,910 --> 02:32:53,221
until I played it back and she said yes

3371
02:32:58,310 --> 02:32:55,920
that was it her grandfather and her dad

3372
02:33:01,310 --> 02:32:58,320
both died on that holiday Father's Day

3373
02:33:04,100 --> 02:33:01,320
and so that to her was confirmation

3374
02:33:06,830 --> 02:33:04,110
would you say that was like a class-a

3375
02:33:09,650 --> 02:33:06,840
EVP kind of thing you know crystal clear

3376
02:33:11,810 --> 02:33:09,660
and you know no no don't devoted yeah

3377
02:33:15,770 --> 02:33:11,820
these are the the better ones you can as

3378
02:33:17,841 --> 02:33:15,780
I say and go to the center in March 2017

3379
02:33:20,150 --> 02:33:17,851
and put the bottom of the page of my

3380
02:33:21,440 --> 02:33:20,160
reality checking column I put these

3381
02:33:24,200 --> 02:33:21,450
different audios with a little

3382
02:33:27,830 --> 02:33:24,210
description it's always best to use good

3383
02:33:29,631 --> 02:33:27,840
headphones you listen for it and you

3384
02:33:32,270 --> 02:33:29,641
know if you've got pretty good average

3385
02:33:33,320 --> 02:33:32,280
hearing you should be able to hear these

3386
02:33:35,090 --> 02:33:33,330
things

3387
02:33:37,090 --> 02:33:35,100
I kind of think we need to explore more

3388
02:33:40,551 --> 02:33:37,100
detail here in the power cast we've had

3389
02:33:43,130 --> 02:33:40,561
scattershot approaches isn't this weird

3390
02:33:44,780 --> 02:33:43,140
and we never take it beyond the isn't

3391
02:33:46,850 --> 02:33:44,790
this weird and then again we're

3392
02:33:49,610 --> 02:33:46,860
returning to the so-called unified field

3393
02:33:51,500 --> 02:33:49,620
theory is any of this related to any of

3394
02:33:53,990 --> 02:33:51,510
the other mysteries or do we just have a

3395
02:33:55,670 --> 02:33:54,000
bunch of wacky things that go on and we

3396
02:33:58,250 --> 02:33:55,680
need to look into each and every one

3397
02:34:00,230 --> 02:33:58,260
well I think you know that the keel did

3398
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:00,240
some things wrong but then again on the

3399
02:34:03,590 --> 02:34:02,010
other hand he he got us to thinking

3400
02:34:05,570 --> 02:34:03,600
about summary things and he got out of

3401
02:34:10,280 --> 02:34:05,580
the field and he did his best you can go

3402
02:34:12,170 --> 02:34:10,290
to www.google.com and his friend Doug

3403
02:34:14,900 --> 02:34:12,180
Skinner puts out every month with

3404
02:34:17,570 --> 02:34:14,910
letters and copies of clippings and

3405
02:34:20,660 --> 02:34:17,580
things from Kiehl's old archives showing

3406
02:34:23,270 --> 02:34:20,670
that he really was very obsessed with

3407
02:34:26,150 --> 02:34:23,280
this subject and trying to figure it out

3408
02:34:27,890 --> 02:34:26,160
one of his better cases in Maryland that

3409
02:34:30,620 --> 02:34:27,900
supposedly supported the quest the

3410
02:34:33,140 --> 02:34:30,630
woodrow derenberger case turned out to

3411
02:34:35,420 --> 02:34:33,150
be a hoaxer he apparently kind of fell

3412
02:34:36,980 --> 02:34:35,430
for that we always face that challenge

3413
02:34:39,980 --> 02:34:36,990
when we're dealing with people's

3414
02:34:42,320 --> 02:34:39,990
accounts we never know when we're

3415
02:34:45,230 --> 02:34:42,330
dealing necessarily with a fully real

3416
02:34:47,870 --> 02:34:45,240
one or genuine personality or hoaxer

3417
02:34:49,910 --> 02:34:47,880
there's so many of these cases and as I

3418
02:34:52,400 --> 02:34:49,920
say trying to find the commonalities

3419
02:34:54,590 --> 02:34:52,410
connect the dots in keels case with that

3420
02:34:57,530 --> 02:34:54,600
subject in Maryland this college student

3421
02:34:59,390 --> 02:34:57,540
he liked fiction and he'd heard woodrow

3422
02:35:01,460 --> 02:34:59,400
derenberger on washington DC radio

3423
02:35:03,320 --> 02:35:01,470
program and just thought he'd call and

3424
02:35:04,820 --> 02:35:03,330
he'd never realized they tracked the

3425
02:35:06,200 --> 02:35:04,830
phone numbers so he got a call back

3426
02:35:07,670 --> 02:35:06,210
afterwards he thought he could just do

3427
02:35:09,560 --> 02:35:07,680
it anonymously and that would be the end

3428
02:35:12,290 --> 02:35:09,570
of it and at least this is what he

3429
02:35:15,020 --> 02:35:12,300
claimed later but there's so many in the

3430
02:35:16,850 --> 02:35:15,030
derenberger case that Kiel investigated

3431
02:35:18,830 --> 02:35:16,860
there were other witnesses that saw

3432
02:35:20,600 --> 02:35:18,840
crafts and things the night of his

3433
02:35:22,790 --> 02:35:20,610
initial encounter and he reported it to

3434
02:35:24,110 --> 02:35:22,800
the police and something initially

3435
02:35:26,420 --> 02:35:24,120
happened although he began to wonder

3436
02:35:28,761 --> 02:35:26,430
about some of his later claims that

3437
02:35:31,940 --> 02:35:28,771
wasn't too far from Point Pleasant where

3438
02:35:33,590 --> 02:35:31,950
all that was going on with the UFOs and

3439
02:35:36,801 --> 02:35:33,600
the so-called Mothman and other

3440
02:35:40,190 --> 02:35:36,811
creatures very strange circumstances

3441
02:35:43,490 --> 02:35:40,200
high strangeness of just reading here

3442
02:35:47,179 --> 02:35:43,500
Brent and one of your magazine articles

3443
02:35:49,699 --> 02:35:47,189
about an EVP of a load

3444
02:35:52,069 --> 02:35:49,709
loschen can you tell us a bit about that

3445
02:35:55,489 --> 02:35:52,079
Wow a lot of heat lotion

3446
02:35:58,370 --> 02:35:55,499
yes you give written in them I'll tell

3447
02:36:01,309 --> 02:35:58,380
you specifically it was in the article

3448
02:36:04,219 --> 02:36:01,319
EVP or not to be okay what was the

3449
02:36:06,410 --> 02:36:04,229
question again by Brent rains and Kant

3450
02:36:10,609 --> 02:36:06,420
down near the bottom there's a talk

3451
02:36:14,149 --> 02:36:10,619
about it got a very clear explosion

3452
02:36:17,689 --> 02:36:14,159
sound coming through as an EVP instead

3453
02:36:20,689 --> 02:36:17,699
of speech as if it may be the actual

3454
02:36:22,670 --> 02:36:20,699
sound of a explosion that has happened

3455
02:36:24,679 --> 02:36:22,680
or may be yet to happen or something but

3456
02:36:27,500 --> 02:36:24,689
like it's a bit like almost like a

3457
02:36:29,960 --> 02:36:27,510
residual haunting it's a I think what

3458
02:36:31,849 --> 02:36:29,970
you're trying to see is a retelling of

3459
02:36:34,040 --> 02:36:31,859
an actual explosion that happened

3460
02:36:36,649 --> 02:36:34,050
somewhere does that ring a bell or just

3461
02:36:39,439 --> 02:36:36,659
so many things in the past I remember

3462
02:36:42,050 --> 02:36:39,449
writing that article and I think I was

3463
02:36:44,059 --> 02:36:42,060
describing different EVPs and and some

3464
02:36:45,410 --> 02:36:44,069
of it was was mine and some of it was

3465
02:36:47,899 --> 02:36:45,420
some of the people I was working with

3466
02:36:50,630 --> 02:36:47,909
I'm really not sure I'd have to go back

3467
02:36:54,199 --> 02:36:50,640
to that and kind of refresh my memory on

3468
02:36:56,359 --> 02:36:54,209
that huh you're also talking about

3469
02:36:57,859 --> 02:36:56,369
getting some air humor from the

3470
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afterlife

3471
02:37:04,689 --> 02:37:01,380
EVPs are funny or some kind of community

3472
02:37:09,380 --> 02:37:04,699
that was there was one I had played

3473
02:37:10,849 --> 02:37:09,390
where someone was bret oldham who we

3474
02:37:14,059 --> 02:37:10,859
were doing a session we were trying to

3475
02:37:17,090 --> 02:37:14,069
communicate with John keel and he said

3476
02:37:19,069 --> 02:37:17,100
John this is bret oldham I'm a friend of

3477
02:37:20,989 --> 02:37:19,079
Brent Raines and we're supposed to be

3478
02:37:24,019 --> 02:37:20,999
communicating with John keel and the

3479
02:37:26,870 --> 02:37:24,029
voice said bummer we've got Andy here

3480
02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:26,880
with a cliffhanger like they do with TV

3481
02:37:31,939 --> 02:37:28,970
series when they end the season

3482
02:37:34,849 --> 02:37:31,949
cliffhanger we're going to find more

3483
02:37:40,550 --> 02:37:34,859
information about you Brent okay you can

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02:37:43,939 --> 02:37:40,560
go online at ap Magazine info and I edit

3485
02:37:46,699 --> 02:37:43,949
an online magazine there that comes out

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3492
02:38:05,440 --> 02:38:03,320
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3493
02:38:07,990 --> 02:38:05,450
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